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BedfordshireBoy

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #135 on: Friday 29-Mar-2019, 16:44* »
Wel we are clearly not going to leave tomorrow....And I can’t see anything changing between now and April or May so the can will keep getting kicked down the road.

Yesterday’s votes show MPs can’t agree and don’t seem to know what they’re doing.

I go through ups and downs with hope and justification for another referendum. My enthusiasm and hope for it is building now - I think it’s the only way out of this mess. The momentum is behind it now, I think.

What question(s) would you suggest (I can imagine you need 3), and how would the winner be declared, a simple majority as per the last one? I just cannot see this working.

alexfromlondon

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #136 on: Tuesday 02-Apr-2019, 13:05* »
Am actually starting to think a no deal Brexit would be a good thing. It would mean the existing losers in charge would have to face up to their actions and would have no one to blame. It would give the country a massive education as they’d realise swiftly what they’d thrown away. There’d be a period of hardship, depression, probably civil unrest. But would lead to a cold hard dose of reality and humility for many.

I think it might lead to a better politics in the future, born out of the hardship this created, and a more engaged and fair politics in the future.

The irony is the next generation will probably be begging to rejoin the EU 10-15 years down the line.

I’m mentally prepared for this carnage now and have completely given up on the current wastes of space in Westminster.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #137 on: Wednesday 03-Apr-2019, 11:51* »
We definitely need to move to a much more consensual political system and get away from this unworkable and stupidly confrontational 2 party system with its constant blame culture.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #138 on: Wednesday 03-Apr-2019, 13:23* »
Brexit has really shown how little in common some at each ends of the 2 main parties have with each other. Agree with the above on a less confrontational approach being desirable.

alexfromlondon

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« Reply #139 on: Tuesday 09-Apr-2019, 07:09* »
So the Cooper-Letwin bill passes, reducing the risk of crashing out under no-deal. Can see the only way out being a long extension of a year or so for the country to get its act together. What happens in that period who knows?

I can’t see a consensus being reached cross party as they are focussing on the wrong things - I.e freedom of movement, primarily; and are making a dogs dinner out of the rest of it.

The irony is that “free movement” is something we could have had more control over in the past within the EU but have chosen not to.

Another irony is the misunderstanding of immigration on a broader sense.

Regarding “free trade” - I doubt anyone other than a tiny minority of disaster capitalists could quantify what these trade deals really mean for us. Also ironic, especially as we atte more powerful as party of a bigger group.

“Take back control” is a sadly misleading phrase for us.

Currently thinking that there won’t be another referendum or a dramatic revocation, but Brexit will slowly drift away from us over the next couple of years.

When March 29 passed, I felt a tinge if sadness and sympathy for those disappointed about not leaving on that date.

That feeling has gone, and I’m now back to the place where I think they just don’t deserve any sympathy at all. The leading Brexiteers ran away when the going got tough. No-one had a plan. And no-one really understood what on earth they were doing and why they were doing it.

It has been middle England’s mid life mental breakdown, as they have struggled to keep pace with the modern world. It is sad to watch.

Fearless Fred

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #140 on: Tuesday 09-Apr-2019, 08:04* »
The absolute cherry on the **** cake is Brexiteer Mark Francois MP (he of the "I was in the TA & learnt never to withdraw" fame) yesterday demanding, without a shadow of concern for the irony of it, that conservative MPs be allowed a second chance (vote) to pass a motion of no confidence in the OM as new information had come to light, and the "Will of the Tory MPs" has changed. You really couldn't make it up...
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deadlyfrom5yardsout

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #141 on: Wednesday 15-May-2019, 11:44* »
I'm a little confused over whether we can have a no deal exit or not? If BoJo gets in I imagine that's the first thing he will go for!

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« Reply #142 on: Wednesday 15-May-2019, 16:31* »
Am actually starting to think a no deal Brexit would be a good thing. It would mean the existing losers in charge would have to face up to their actions and would have no one to blame. It would give the country a massive education as they’d realise swiftly what they’d thrown away. There’d be a period of hardship, depression, probably civil unrest. But would lead to a cold hard dose of reality and humility for many.

I think it might lead to a better politics in the future, born out of the hardship this created, and a more engaged and fair politics in the future.

The irony is the next generation will probably be begging to rejoin the EU 10-15 years down the line.

They will because they are stupid

Boonie

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #143 on: Thursday 16-May-2019, 13:13* »
Am actually starting to think a no deal Brexit would be a good thing. It would mean the existing losers in charge would have to face up to their actions and would have no one to blame. It would give the country a massive education as they’d realise swiftly what they’d thrown away. There’d be a period of hardship, depression, probably civil unrest. But would lead to a cold hard dose of reality and humility for many.

I think it might lead to a better politics in the future, born out of the hardship this created, and a more engaged and fair politics in the future.

The irony is the next generation will probably be begging to rejoin the EU 10-15 years down the line.

They will because they are stupid

They will because they will realise that isolationism and jingoism belong to a bygone era, and that in an integrated world, the isolationists simply get ever more isolated. 
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deadlyfrom5yardsout

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #144 on: Tuesday 04-Jun-2019, 11:00* »
Is Boris going to make it through the Tory MP's voting process on to the Tory Party Members voting process where he appears to be a big favourite?

alexfromlondon

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #145 on: Sunday 09-Jun-2019, 07:45* »
I think he will win...

I’m also thinking it might be time to emigrate!

alexfromlondon

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« Reply #146 on: Wednesday 12-Jun-2019, 17:08* »
I don’t know about you but I’ve enjoyed the last couple of months when Brexit hasn’t been so prominently on the radar. The conversation seems to be coming back though.

Interesting that the upsides are no longer spoken of - it’s about damage limitation and getting it done. And there’s still a bewildering lack of understanding about the EU and how to engage with them and build a future relationship. The people that should know, still haven’t got a clue about what the WTO is.

It’s been nice to kick the can down the road a bit but nothing has changed, which is really worrying...
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deadlyfrom5yardsout

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #147 on: Wednesday 26-Jun-2019, 11:07* »
I'm guessing that should we Exit the EU in line with the result of the referendum the next thing will be rising calls for another referendum to take us back in again. This story has got real legs!

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #148 on: Wednesday 26-Jun-2019, 12:41* »
I'm guessing that should we Exit the EU in line with the result of the referendum the next thing will be rising calls for another referendum to take us back in again. This story has got real legs!

It was 1973 when the UK joined the EU in the form it was then. That too was decided by a referendum, and ever since then there has been disagreement about whether we should stay or leave.

Since the leavers continually lobbied for 43 years about leaving, I think that we can also expect that there will be discussions about rejoining for a similar timescale.
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BedfordshireBoy

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #149 on: Tuesday 23-Jul-2019, 13:10* »
So now we know, we will be out of Europe by the end of October ........,.. or will we?

 

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