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Quinky

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« Reply #180 on: Sunday 01-Dec-2019, 23:21* »

I'm not sure your Gender Equality thoughts (on this board and others) are wholly based on fairness.


I'm yet to meet anyone (feminists especially) who seem to have a clear view of what "gender equality" really is. The usual diatribe is "more women" and "more money for women". No substance, no reasoning, just repetition of the mantra.

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« Reply #181 on: Wednesday 04-Dec-2019, 09:18* »
I'm yet to meet anyone (feminists especially) who seem to have a clear view of what "gender equality" really is. The usual diatribe is "more women" and "more money for women". No substance, no reasoning, just repetition of the mantra.

Luckily no one has done any work to define this at all: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_equality

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« Reply #182 on: Friday 06-Dec-2019, 09:41* »
Talking of tactical voting I shall nail my colours to the mast. I simply cannot support the essentially 2 party system we have here in the UK. We absolutely have to move to a more consensual form of politics with Proportional Representation. I normally look for a good solid Independent who understands and supports local issues and give them my support. However, because one must study the issues current at the time and really try to avoid voting along Presidential style politics for personalities, I shall be voting for BoJo. I voted Remain in the Referendum but this election is a single issue one about Brexit because the Establishment simply would not allow the voice of the people to be heard in the Leave result. I strongly believe that you cannot keep having another vote until you get your desired result so I will be voting BoJo to Leave to honour the result of the Referendum. Whether I will ever vote Tory again is another matter.

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« Reply #183 on: Friday 06-Dec-2019, 09:42* »
 Oh, and if I hear one more person say that those who voted Leave did not know what they voted for I shall scream and scream until I am sick

deadlyfrom5yardsout

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« Reply #184 on: Wednesday 18-Dec-2019, 15:25* »
Told you!

Quinky

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« Reply #185 on: Sunday 22-Dec-2019, 15:54* »
Luckily no one has done any work to define this at all: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_equality

And that doesn't disprove my point - I've never MET anyone who has a clear view other than mumbling about "equal numbers".

It's an interesting definition though - "the state of equal ease of access to resources and opportunities regardless of gender". This is perfectly reasonable and I don't know anyone who would disagree with it. But this won't sate the majority of so-called feminists, who want e.g. equal numbers of women on company boards. That's equality of outcome, not equality of opportunity. Equal chances to achieve don't necessarily guarantee equal achievements.

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« Reply #186 on: Monday 17-Feb-2020, 13:31* »
I'm not sure Proportional Representation is particularly fair either, look atbthe recent Irish election. They still dont know the outcome & it will come down to horse trading & private deals. I'd rather have our system.

Didnt realise this thread was here!

Leave voter here & I know exactly what I voted for! Voted for Boris & the conservative majority. We simply need to sort out the mess of the last three & a half years. It has left quite a malaise which is going to take a while to recover from.

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« Reply #187 on: Friday 28-Feb-2020, 11:02* »
If we had proportional representation, we would still be in the mess like the May years of government.

Look at our neighbours in Europe. Spain cannot appoint a government, Germany has struggled to cobble together a working majority, Italy...well Italy is Italy!

At least with first past the post, we now have a government that can get on with moving this country into the future.

As a leave voter, I am delighted with what Johnson is doing. As a business owner that exports to the EU, I am not too worried. In the end, we will get a deal, I just wish we could cut out the wasted hours of political gamesmanship. Let's get a move on and get planning for the future.

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deadlyfrom5yardsout

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« Reply #188 on: Saturday 25-Apr-2020, 13:48* »

Is Boris Johnson betting on a tight Brexit deadline to get him the bare bones trade deal he wants, despite the risk of dramatically compounding the economic damage of the coronavirus pandemic?
Downing Street last week again refused to extend the Brexit transition period beyond the end of this year, even though coronavirus forced the cancellation of the last two planned rounds of trade negotiations with Brussels.
Coronavirus put David Frost, the UK’s top Brexit official, and his counterpart Michel Barnier, into isolation and destroyed the already tight schedule to finalise a trade agreement.
UK and EU negotiators will today begin a week of fully-fledged online negotiations this week. There are another two virtual rounds of talks planned before the July deadline for Britain to request  an extension of up to two years.
David Frost, the UK’s top Brexit official, told his counterpart Michel Barnier in a call last week that the UK would never ask for an extension to the end 2020 deadline for the talks to be finalised.

He added that If the EU was to request a delay to the end of the transition period, which effectively deep freezes the UK’s membership of the single market and customs union after Brexit, Britain would refuse because it was not in the “national interest”. 
Trade experts and EU sources are sceptical that the videoconference negotiations can be as effective as traditional face to face negotiations. With up to 200 officials dialling in from different locations, and other government departments swamped with the coronavirus crisis, progress will be slow, they claim.
The EU is ready to negotiate the extension and finds it hard to believe Britain is not, given the huge pressures of the pandemic. 
Diplomats in Brussels believe the refusal to extend is purely for domestic consumption. By ramping up the pressure and the stakes, they say, the eventual deal will seem all the more miraculous, which will provide useful cover for British caving and placate Brexiteers.
Today at the commission’s daily press conference, the chief spokesman suggested the deadline could still be delayed. Although a membership fee will have to be negotiated, the EU, which itself is precoccupied with the pandemic, is likely to demand a lower price than the UK normally pays each year.

David Frost, the UK's top Brexit negotiator. Michel Barnier, his counterpart, is ready to negotiate an extension to the transition period Credit: AP
The divides between both sides over the free trade agreement are deep. The UK wants a Canada-style trade deal, which removes most tariffs but would allow Britain to diverge from EU rules, and a separate fisheries deal, with catches negotiated on an annual basis.
Divergence is, depending on your politics, one of the great prizes or dangers of Brexit. Either way, Brexit without divergence is a fundamentally pointless exercise.
Brussels is pushing for an umbrella agreement that would encompass a zero tariff on goods trade deal, a status quo fishing deal, and security and foreign policy cooperation. 
The price for this deeper relationship, which the UK did sign up to in the non-binding political declaration that accompanied the Withdrawal Agreement, is a series of commitments to match EU rules and regulations on tax, state aid, labour rights and the environment.
The more comprehensive the eventual agreement is, the longer the negotiations can be expected to take. The UK may calculate that a shorter deadline will yield the more basic agreement it seeks, which could be added to over time.
Brussels has ruled out agreeing a string of separate deals with Britain but it will also be reluctant to risk the blame for a no deal by refusing to agree a bare bones trade agreement. Any agreement with the EU, no matter how basic, will have some strings attached.
The economic risks of leaving the transition period without a replacement trade deal with the EU, the UK’s major trading partner, are huge and exacerbated by the impact of coronavirus on the economy.
But the fact is trading on WTO terms after a no deal would be far closer to the UK’s preferred vision of the future relationship with the EU than the deeper trade agreement Brussels hopes to strike.
 

 

 

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