We won't leave on 29th and you know it - no matter how much you try and deny it to yourself. I'm loving the chaos tonight. One step closer to another referendum. One step closer to remain. I wait in hope.

Why can Brexiteer/leavers not answer the question Alex put forward HONESTLY? The question I'm talking about: why is it undemocratic to revisit democracy? Let me run a hypothetical past you...

We have another referendum. The turnout is HIGHER than it was before (you don't expect that, I know, because it doesn't suit your story). The country votes 52% - 48% the other way (to remain). And guess what? Parliament has a majority. Brexit undone.

And that's the crux isn't it? You KNOW that would be, by definition, democratic. You KNOW that this cohort of voters would have voted based on an actual knowledge about what Brexit looks like with flesh on rather than the lies, rhetoric and lowest-common-denominator-bear-baiting tactics that were peddled previously. And you're scared of that - just admit it.

I'm being a bit inflammatory, but that's how I view you. And I don't know how you can convince me that's not your fear. If you were at least honest about that I could have respect for you. Unfortunately, every time a Brexiteer tells me it's the death of democracy to take it back to the people, they can wave goodbye to that respect I wish I could have for them. But it's a catchy line and Theresa May has trotted it out robotically and you've bought it. I guess I shouldn't blame you - I should pity you.

I believe we will leave on the 29th of March. I have great faith we will as the government is too shambolic to come together to meaningfully sort something in the mean time, even if they think they have something to work off. In any case, you are as deluded as this government if you believe we won’t leave at all.

Because a democratic decision has been made, we should stand by it. The problem isn’t the decision to leave itself, it’s the donuts in charge and how to leave. Every referendum doesn’t have a 2nd referendum just because one side doesn’t like it, or because the people running the show haven’t done the best job in getting us to leave. Things which hamper this whole operation is Remoaners, dishonest and immature MP’s, opposition in Jeremy “Can’t make my mind up, oh wait I know, I’ll just keep calling for general elections” Corbyn, and somewhat putting remainers in charge of leaving in the first place. The problem you have with your precious and possessed idea of a second referendum now is that not much of the country is interested, the country doesn’t need it nor will it be healthy for both sides or for democracy itself. If you lack that vision, try to see that it’s due to intrusive niggling that we haven’t excelled in working out a better deal in the first place. If we had have got on with it with the right people and if the MP’s acted with some honour and hadn’t have tried to clamp our moving wheel, we would be off and already in the right direction. It’s undemicratic to have another vote, I could turn round and do a Remoaners after tonight’s 312-308 and say “oh well given as that was so close and me and my side doesn’t like the way it’s gone, that’s not fair, let’s have another one”. Silly childish behaviour and games.

It’s undemocratic because of the principle; people from both sides see this and will then ponder what will become of democratic votes in governments and so forth in the future, what is the point of having a vote if it’s final decision gets changed. People won’t end up voting as they feel like no matter what even if their vote won, it can be so easily overturned now. This will be the start of the flood gates opening, once done here you will see repeats of this stupid petulant behaviour in the future. And it won’t always go your way. That’s poker for you, at some point you’ll trip on your own game.
You may call a 2nd vote democratic if it went your way but how should that vote prevail over the first one when they were both held in the same format and democratic way. Think about it. You can’t have your cake and eat it, democracy when it suits you. When push comes to shove you’ll discover that most of those MP’s who oppose Brexit and putting it at risk are doing it for their own career and party interests and the keys to No10.

Of course as a Leaver I’d fear not leaving, it’s what I BELIEVE in and what I voted for. And of course because of this meddling and sabotage I would fear for democracy itself. Look at you for pointing out the obvious and mocking fear. Like you’ve not been sat in it before. Does that make you feel big or something?

That sums you up “I’m loving the chaos tonight”. That sums up pretty much how adult thinking you are on this subject, you don’t get your own way in the OG vote so you throw your power rangers out your pram. You mock others for what they believe in and throw out insults because you can’t see that we actually believe in our country and its people if we were to Leave. You fail to see that there were lies on both sides, you fail to see the scaremongering, you fail realise this behaviour from our MP’s will now be extremely damaging to the people’s little faith they already had in politics and leave a foul taste in people’s mouths, you fail to just accept the OG and final result, you fail to respect the people who voted for it or recognise that we are all different people; no one is the same and for you to brandish every Leaver as ill informed, racist, dumb.. I find that rather inflammatory. We all have many different reasons for wanting to leave and there are many, I don’t have to keep listing them. Urgh, take a bath and rinse yourself of your biast stupidity. It’s you I pity.


Tom, you seem like a really nice bloke generally and I value your opinions on the Harlequins topics. I hate to address your comments in the same manner you’ve shown me, but this just doesn’t stick with me. You mock me and others from the very start in an attacking stance just because you want an asnswer for everything I or other Leavers do, believe in or say. You will never change your mind and I will never change mine. We don’t have to agree on everything. I would like to think we could meet for a drink (a cola for me as I’m don’t like alcohol) some time at The Stoop, enjoy rugby conversations, agree about how much we like Mike Brown and not so keen on Elliot Daly at 15 for England, and accept that we don’t see eye to eye on Brexit. I’m ok with that fact.

Let’s leave it here and how about instead of hoping for our separate sides to win, let’s instead hope for mutual respect, and in the long term success for our country. You might even find that patriotism again.

I take my leave.