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Re: Brexit
« on: Monday 29-Oct-2018, 22:25* »
Basically, BB's post + alexfromlondon's post = my thoughts. My main issue is that we are OVER-estimating our position. We aren't the empire anymore (thank whatever god you want). And guess what, maybe we do have a superior economy vs individual EU countries (aside from Germany and France maybe) but we don't have a superior economy to the lot of them combined. Who really thinks we do? Seriously? That's the rhetoric - it's actually nuts. Our bargaining position is weak - I'd love Everyone's a Quinner to convince us otherwise. Disliking our posts is one thing but if your only reason for Brexit is "sovereignty" or "we voted on something 2 years ago therefore it doesn't matter if something completely different is actually going to happen" then I'm none the wiser. So help us. What is this all about? Really.

Sovereignty doesn't do it for me personally because do you genuinely, REALLY think anything will actually change for the better with the numpties we have running this country? And that's completely ignoring the benefits we get from the EU... Oh, but it's better to ignore those - doesn't fit the brexiteer argument that we actually gain economically from the EU, does it?

If it's immigration then at least have the balls to say so. I'm sorry but I haven't been convinced it's anything else. Personally, I'd love to think that if I wanted to move to any other landmass in the world then I'd be welcomed like a fellow human being, but maybe that's too much to ask. Such a sad world we live in. The more I live, the more I think humans (and particularly us white people - yup, that's what I said, deal with it) are a pathetic bunch. It is about "the other" when you boil it all down. For me, anyway. You won't convince me otherwise just by crying "just because we're saying this doesn't mean we're racist".

The funniest part is I used to consider myself patriotic when I was a kid - because I'd go to Twickenham and roar my little heart out as Rory Underwood rocketed down the touch line. That's what I thought patriotism was all about - was my only frame of reference. Now it's harder to feel that. Which is quite sad really.

For some context:

Yup, I'm a millennial. I've also been disabled since birth - have a rare neuromuscular condition. Have never walked, have full body muscle weakness. I rely on personal care assistants to help me do the basics day-to-day. Guess what? Haven't found a single British chap who wants to wipe my bum on the daily. Currently employ 3 Hungarian guys. Who knows how this will affect that - but that's not your worry, it's mine. Except I didn't vote for this. Hence I'm angry - that other people have put me being able to get out of bed in the morning in jeopardy because they don't like Polish people living nearby. Or people with a different skin colour. Maybe not you reading this - maybe you really did vote for other genuine reasons - but I knew a lot of people who voted that way for that reason. "Knew" because I no longer want to know a single thing about them. Disgusting as far as I'm concerned - and not just because it affects me. The reality seems to be that it's going to affect far more people than anyone realises.

And "disgusting" why? Because my girlfriend, who is black (and was born here and considers herself British in every sense) has been treated to some seriously threatening abuse and behaviour ever since this rise in right/alt-right rhetoric. And yes, I do consider Brexit to be simultaneously a symptom and a cause of that fever. There's no plausible way you can deny that - that's utter ignorance.

So when anyone talks about being patriotic I just can't get behind it. What is there to be patriotic about? I'll cheer on the England rugby team but I realise now that that has nothing to do with patriotism in the true sense of the word.

And then there's the fact that Brexit is a mess anyway - so whatever you voted for, whichever side you're on, you're not getting it. None of us are happy, has anyone noticed that?

« Last Edit: Monday 29-Oct-2018, 22:36* by TomBuckQuin »



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