Honestly this site has just become a cesspit, an outlet for non-rugby-related effluent and I'm with Cookie in saying it shouldn't be allowed to overflow from the other discussion and drag us into the gutter. It's bleeding into everything we do with you all acting as conduits for it. It's clogging up the pipeline of Quins chats so it's time to siphon it off. I'm getting emotional about it all ok? So just stop or I'll turn on the waterworks.