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Kermitpower

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Taking the strike discussion out of the BG thread
« on: Saturday 17-Dec-2022, 09:58* »
So, DazzaS asked "why are you on the side of big companies over the average worker?" to which I responded as below.

The sensible suggestion was made to bring the discussion in here rather than leaving it to derail the BG thread, so here it is...  let the discussions begin in their rightful place! 

1.  Because all of these "average workers" screaming for double digit payrises have no demonstrable increase in productivity with which to justify them, which is going to increase the cost of the goods or services their employers sell, resulting in increased costs to me (and also, ironically, to all those demanding big payrises) for no additional benefit.

2.  Because any of those employers in direct competition with overseas companies are going to be made less competitive, meaning a higher probability of job losses, meaning more of my taxes going on unemployment benefits.

3.  Because in the case of NHS workers, they represent over 5% of the total working population, so giving them the double digit payrises they're asking for would have a massive impact on all of us, and I'm thoroughly hacked off with the way they all bang on about how they all saved the country during Covid, when for every massively overworked intensive care nurse there were multiple others sat around twiddling their thumbs because non urgent care was cancelled, and the money would surely be better spent getting that care back on track.

4.  Because like many "average workers", I'd really like to retire one day, and when the strikers bang on about the rail companies, oil companies and others making big profits, I view that as news to be celebrated!  Those big corporations aren't owned by Monty Burns characters rubbing their hands in glee whilst they release the hounds on the workers, they're owned mostly by those self same pension funds whose success will allow us better standards of living in retirement.

I could probably come up with more if you like?
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KiltedQuin

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Re: Taking the strike discussion out of the BG thread
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 17-Dec-2022, 11:37* »

3.  Because in the case of NHS workers, they represent over 5% of the total working population, so giving them the double digit payrises they're asking for would have a massive impact on all of us, and I'm thoroughly hacked off with the way they all bang on about how they all saved the country during Covid, when for every massively overworked intensive care nurse there were multiple others sat around twiddling their thumbs because non urgent care was cancelled, and the money would surely be better spent getting that care back on track.


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I don’t necessarily agree with all your points but you are entitled your opinion. However I must take you to task on this one as it’s simply not true that loads of NHS staff not just nurses sat ‘twiddling their thumbs’ during the pandemic. Although elective surgery and face to face outpatient work stopped the staff who usually did this were either redeployed to other areas or worked and implemented alternative methods. Also emergency care continued in the same way as before. In my hospital, most nursing staff who worked in elective surgery and outpatients were redeployed to critical care, A&E or acute wards. This applied to all other groups of clinical and non clinical staff. Remember although our critical care staff were overworked the number of critical beds tripled or more and they needed more staff. Also new techniques and treatments needed more people. Turning a proned patient in ICU takes 9 or 10 people to do it safely and effectively for example.

During the pandemic I never saw a single colleague sitting twiddling their thumbs but I did see, and experienced myself, exhausted colleagues, working longer hours than paid for, doing jobs and activities that were new to them and suffering from the stress of overwork and patients dying who really wouldn’t normally have died.  And we lost a few colleagues to the disease as well.

This all against a background of 10 years plus of underinvestment and staffing shortages.
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Kermitpower

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Re: Taking the strike discussion out of the BG thread
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 17-Dec-2022, 16:03* »
Anecdotally, my sister-in-law, a senior A&E doc in North London who said they were rushed off their feet for a few weeks, but then saw their work drop massively because practically nobody was coming in with any of the usual  sporting, drunkenness etc type injuries.  She and her team weren't retrained to work on Covid wards, and had long periods of little to do as a result.

Part of the reasoning for this was that it wasn't necessarily practical to retrain everyone, nor was there the equipment to deploy them on if they were retrained.

There were around 2.5m cancer screenings alone missed as a result of Covid.  That's a lot of people not doing their day job, and many of them - administrative staff and the like - really wouldn't have much to offer in critical care, would they?

I don't for one second debate that the people who could work in critical care were absolutely drowning for much of the pandemic, but doesn't that just underline the point?  There are a million staff in the NHS, not including all those who work for GP surgeries.  If they were all able to be retrained and redeployed to deal with Covid cases, then there would've been more than enough staff, given how much of the rest of the NHS shut down, wouldn't there?
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