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dr_miles

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #195 on: Wednesday 19-Aug-2020, 13:27* »
Why should people get behind something that they donít want, donít agree with and didnít vote for?

It doesnít mean that I donít want it to be successful, but Iím not on board with it as an idea and itís not on me to make it succeed - itís those who campaigned for it and won to deliver.

Twickersman

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #196 on: Wednesday 19-Aug-2020, 13:46* »
Why should people get behind something that they donít want, donít agree with and didnít vote for?

It doesnít mean that I donít want it to be successful, but Iím not on board with it as an idea and itís not on me to make it succeed - itís those who campaigned for it and won to deliver.

I am asking this honestly, but what exactly do you not agree with? Lack of freedom of movement, control of our laws by the EU Court, Law being made by a commission that is not elected?

I am very interested in the what it is you are going to miss?


dr_miles

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« Reply #197 on: Wednesday 19-Aug-2020, 16:02* »
Freedom of movement is the main thing that affects me personally. I am moving to Spain this week, which has had to be brought forward in our plans because of the end of year cut off to take residency.

I am aware that it is possible to achieve residency without living in the EU, and that lots of people do it, but the process is longer and the bar is higher than it is currently, and it is also country specific.

The wider points about ďtaking back controlĒ were all vague at best, and the issues about money were at best disingenuous, or at worst were outright lies.

We had control of our borders, we always could veto laws, we opted out of a single currency and so any further integration of defence or similar would have been up for debate as well. I believe that we have benefited from the increase in environmental and trading standards, and that we were a stronger player in the market than we will be outside of it. The UK never really took being in the EU particularly seriously - turnout at the European elections was always low, general sharing of information about the EU was poor. If we had wanted to know or to have more of a say then the options were there, We just didnít take them.

The EU certainly isnít perfect, but it wasnít broken. The UK opted to quit as a result of lies and false information, and we will be weaker as a result. Itís caused division in the UK and will lead to the break up of the Union. Itís cost billions already, will cost billions more and will damage the economy.

But maybe I should ask you - what specific laws did you disagree with? What was so bad that quitting the whole thing was the only answer?
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Twickersman

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« Reply #198 on: Wednesday 19-Aug-2020, 16:28* »
Fair enough.

As a student of history and politics, I tend to value Democracy very highly.

One of the reasons the UK public had an indefirence to EU elections, is that the posts that were being on voted for, were for MEPs in the Secondary reviosonary chamber. They had little or now difference in the direction.

I do not like the idea of being part of a European Super state. It was that that scared me and the lack of democracy.

I do not plan on living abroad and will set that up if I need to.

Good luck with your move. I hope it is a good one.

deadlyfrom5yardsout

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #199 on: Thursday 20-Aug-2020, 09:48* »
Sovereignty. It is our Independence Day.
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