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Danny Care
« on: Saturday 22-Sep-2018, 23:37* »
Why has Danny Care suddenly turned into one of those irritating 9s who flap their arms about instead of getting on with it, are just too slow to the breakdown, and seems kick too far or just badly? He used to be so good but he just now seems to constantly complain. He should watch Youngs or De Klerk play and understand it is all about playing and not complaining that wins games.

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Re: Danny Care
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 23-Sep-2018, 00:30* »
Suddenly...really?

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« Reply #2 on: Sunday 23-Sep-2018, 00:51* »
He’s been flapping away for years, all be it more so these days than he used to though. But it was still very noticeable seasons ago, just that if he flapped it was normally for good reason compared to what seems like is now more a habit
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« Reply #3 on: Sunday 23-Sep-2018, 14:24* »
It's a real conundrum.  He has scored two tries in two games which is a significant contribution.  On the other hand his out of hand kicking is a huge problem...they are so frequent, so obvious and so forecast in advance that the opposition can position themselves and prepare for the inevitable counter attack.

I have reviewed the Bath and Northampton games again and it is staggeringly obvious that Danny Care's box kicks are, in the majority of cases, gathered under no pressure, passed wide and then run back to put the team under huge pressure.  So if that is obvious to me it must be a gift to the analytical minds of attacking coaches in the premiership.

Yesterday was no different.  He kicked the leather off the ball and whilst a small percentage led to a knock on advantage (due to the conditions) most were easily caught and returned with interest.

These are 'Rope a Dope' tactics that encourage opposing teams to attack.  3 yellow cards, 12 penalties and 20 points to Bristol suggest they are not working.   
 
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Re: Danny Care
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 23-Sep-2018, 14:56* »
It's a real conundrum.  He has scored two tries in two games which is a significant contribution.  On the other hand his out of hand kicking is a huge problem...they are so frequent, so obvious and so forecast in advance that the opposition can position themselves and prepare for the inevitable counter attack.

I have reviewed the Bath and Northampton games again and it is staggeringly obvious that Danny Care's box kicks are, in the majority of cases, gathered under no pressure, passed wide and then run back to put the team under huge pressure.  So if that is obvious to me it must be a gift to the analytical minds of attacking coaches in the premiership.

Yesterday was no different.  He kicked the leather off the ball and whilst a small percentage led to a knock on advantage (due to the conditions) most were easily caught and returned with interest.

These are 'Rope a Dope' tactics that encourage opposing teams to attack.  3 yellow cards, 12 penalties and 20 points to Bristol suggest they are not working.

Agree, a change of tactic for him would be a good idea, do what he does best instead with quick ball to the attacking line and scrap many of them box kicks. He’s so good at some types of kicking, but quite terrible at other types
« Last Edit: Monday 24-Sep-2018, 19:37* by Everyone’s a Quinner »

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Re: Danny Care
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 23-Sep-2018, 15:46* »
I get the impression that our new-ish poster "harlequins" is on the wind-up somewhat, having just read another post.

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Re: Danny Care
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 23-Sep-2018, 15:56* »
Danny is just following orders. He is fully committed and my first name on the the TeamSheet after Robbo.

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Re: Danny Care
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 23-Sep-2018, 16:16* »
As fine a player as Care is, he is not the man to execute tactics based on accurate box kicking.
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Re: Danny Care
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 23-Sep-2018, 16:18* »
If his kicks were 10 metres shorter and we got men competing for the ball as it drops then fine but all he ever achieves is giving possession to the other team in space.He needs to spend a day watching tapes of Aaron Smith to understand how to play 9

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Re: Danny Care
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 23-Sep-2018, 16:36* »
Danny is just following orders. He is fully committed and my first name on the the TeamSheet after Robbo.

He was verging on a liablity by the second half of last season. Numerous times he was flapping his hands while the opposition just took the ball from his feet. His box kicking looked better in game 1 but has since been as bad as it’s always been - and his pace is only evident when he doesn’t take forever to take the ball and stops whining at the ref.

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Re: Danny Care
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 23-Sep-2018, 17:40* »
Paul Gustard said that in the middle 40 we'd have been better off playing without the ball, so  it does seem to be part of the game plan.  There was a lot less arm flapping than usual.
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« Reply #11 on: Monday 24-Sep-2018, 13:52* »
I have never really grasped the concept of choosing to play without the ball. 

With the ball in hand there is a commitment to attack, put the opposition under pressure and wrest an advantage which ideally will get points on the board.  Isn't that the essence of the game?  By choosing to give away possession and play without the ball the only recourse is to defend and in rugby that generally includes attempting to get the ball back.... thats the bit I just don't understand...kicking the ball back to a team in the hope they will make an error or you can win it back at a breakdown.  If they don't make an error and you can't win it back fairly then presumably you are prepared to spend the afternoon hoping for the best in your own 22?   

I understand this has been the playing philosophy at Saracens (in the past?) but are there any top teams - international or domestic - where this is the usual approach? 

"would have been better off playing without the ball" just sounds plain daft and from where I was sitting we seemed to be doing an excellent job of avoiding the thing most of the game anyway!

It will be fascinating to see how Gloucester prepare for DC's box kicks....bet they are out on the park this very afternoon practicing.
 

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Re: Danny Care
« Reply #12 on: Monday 24-Sep-2018, 16:37* »
I think he's lost a bit of his mojo through frustration - it's not just his box-kicking. He used to whip the ball away but now he takes 2 or 3 telegraphed steps as though he doesn't trust his outsiders. See the difference Mulchrone's 'whips' made against Bath.

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Re: Danny Care
« Reply #13 on: Monday 24-Sep-2018, 17:12* »
He very nearly gave a try away standing 4 feet from a ruck looking at the ref in our 22 on Saturday.

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Re: Danny Care
« Reply #14 on: Monday 24-Sep-2018, 17:20* »
He very nearly gave a try away standing 4 feet from a ruck looking at the ref in our 22 on Saturday.

Yeah, that summed it up for me.

 

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