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Quinky

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Re: Disgrace
« Reply #45 on: Sunday 16-Feb-2020, 20:23* »
It was a terrible performance and typical of Quins to falter in a perceived easier game. But to call it a disgrace is a touch harsh.

This sort of thing is a disgrace:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.rugbypass.com/news/vunipola-no-regrets-over-saracens-property-deal-and-would-do-it-again/
I don't know who perceived it as an easier game?

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« Reply #46 on: Sunday 16-Feb-2020, 21:31* »
Quinky, I guess what I mean is that I presume the players view this as an ‘easier game’ and don’t get up for it in the same way they would do for a game against a team like Saracens/Clermont etc. This is just my belief, and I could be wrong.

But now that I think on it... I haven’t checked bookies odds against results for Quins and other rugby sides to see if it is factually accurate to say that Quins have won more games than the average side in which they were underdogs and lost more games than the average side in which they were favourites, but it does feel that way.  I’ve also always got the impression from a lot of our media stuff that we are more pumped for big games than we are for the less glamorous games. We just seem more engaged, excited and keen. Again, just my perception and I could be wrong but I think there could be something in it.

To be honest, it was a bit of a throw away comment and made with little thought at the time. Personally I think the Premiership is very tight this year and there are no easy games. However, the title of the thread reminded me of the Mako Vunipola article and I thought it might make everyone feel a little bit better to be distracted by that for just a moment.
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Quinky

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Re: Disgrace
« Reply #47 on: Sunday 16-Feb-2020, 22:18* »
Quinky, I guess what I mean is that I presume the players view this as an ‘easier game’ and don’t get up for it in the same way they would do for a game against a team like Saracens/Clermont etc. This is just my belief, and I could be wrong.

But now that I think on it... I haven’t checked bookies odds against results for Quins and other rugby sides to see if it is factually accurate to say that Quins have won more games than the average side in which they were underdogs and lost more games than the average side in which they were favourites, but it does feel that way.  I’ve also always got the impression from a lot of our media stuff that we are more pumped for big games than we are for the less glamorous games. We just seem more engaged, excited and keen. Again, just my perception and I could be wrong but I think there could be something in it.

To be honest, it was a bit of a throw away comment and made with little thought at the time. Personally I think the Premiership is very tight this year and there are no easy games. However, the title of the thread reminded me of the Mako Vunipola article and I thought it might make everyone feel a little bit better to be distracted by that for just a moment.

Fair enough. I think it's clear that LI are on a roll, and just like we have been to Sarries, they're a bogey team for us.
It's also said that the Prem is getting tighter each season, Sarries excepted. We regularly see results that you might not expect, judging by form and quality.
Saturday was a bad day at the office. We've had good days recently, and we will have more.
As an aside, we're in 7th place in the table. A5 point win would have seen us reach 3rd. It's a very close table.

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Re: Disgrace
« Reply #48 on: Monday 17-Feb-2020, 14:05* »
Quick comment on the line out.

Seemed to me that the Irish exit strategy into the wind, second half, was to find touch, no matter how short and then to compete the resulting line out. They put up two jumpers at 2 and 5, which in a cross wind made the hooker's life hard. With Symonds off, we really only had one jumper, Youngs (not our best). Baldwin's throws weren't actually that bad but Irish picked Youngs off very easily. The alternative throws to the front, to miss out their jumpers, two times I think, were awful though.

For me, the real root of the problem was our wholly ineffective maul, all match. Irish could risk the tactic of putting up two jumpers in the fairly safe knowledge they could still compete against our maul even if not that well set.

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Re: Disgrace
« Reply #49 on: Monday 17-Feb-2020, 14:44* »
aimless poor kicking and a dreadful line out in the second half did for us, wouldn't say it was a disgraceful performance by all, just a couple of poor performers in key positions did for us in the second half, we gave away key positions so easily. Irish had the better execution and better plan and deserved their win. Rather comical we get a penalty for offside stated by the touch judge heard over ref link and the ref's ear piece not working meant he didnt hear it, Irish turn it over and eventually score from that, could have gone back for the pen when the touch pulled the ref up but ref chose not to and just fix his sound. Not a great day at the office, we should have done better.

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« Reply #50 on: Monday 17-Feb-2020, 15:13* »
I think that Irish deserve a lot of credit for the way they played.
They played the conditions well.
Low trajectory kicks and Pop passes.

They also realised that giving away penalties was no big deal.  Marcus Smith failed to make touch with one kick. Lineout was a lottery.

I am not sure what our tactics were meant to be - but we didn't adapt very well in the first half.
The second half felt pretty even - I thought that the charge down was pretty unlucky.  With conditions as they were that is.  But LI made their own luck.
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« Reply #51 on: Monday 17-Feb-2020, 15:33* »
Not being at the game did Irish have choice of ends as they took advantage of the wind with them?

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« Reply #52 on: Monday 17-Feb-2020, 15:47* »
I assuming that they had the choice of ends.
I think that the wind changed direction a little during the 2nd half and it wasn't affecting them as badly.  But, the wind probably gave a 2 try advantage.
During the 1st half, it was practically impossible to get out of our own half.  the wind just blew the ball back from every kick so we had very little good possession.
During the 2nd half, we were doing the same to them - but, as I said, the wind had altered direction a little and they were able to hit touch on one side. 
There were 4 key points in the game that went against us.
1. in the 1st half, we had a try disallowed.  Different ref on a different day may have allowed it (although re-watching it on the replay at home on Sunday, I saw that it was a clear block).
2. Myler took a kick in the first half.  The wind took it and it hit the posts - but then the wind too it over the sticks.
3. Smith missed the conversion that would have put us within 7 points. At that point, it was game on.
4. Charge down

I know that there was a final try to add gloss to the score, but if LI weren't chasing the bonus, then they would have probably just tried to kick the 3 points.  But, the try was scored when time was up, so it didn't make any impact to us.
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« Reply #53 on: Monday 17-Feb-2020, 18:15* »
No we had choice of ends, Gustard said so in interview after game as wind was predicted to get stronger in second half

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« Reply #54 on: Monday 17-Feb-2020, 19:41* »
I think the wind did get stronger, but the direction changed a little. In the first half it was generally viewing straight down the field. In the second it started to come from the media centre. I think that is why they started evacuating that end first

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Re: Disgrace
« Reply #55 on: Monday 17-Feb-2020, 20:46* »
Nothing like the Tornado we had a few years ago thankfully when match abandoned

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Re: Disgrace
« Reply #56 on: Monday 17-Feb-2020, 21:41* »
I don’t really get why you wouldn’t choose having the conditions in your favour and hopefully getting ahead. Then having chosen the opposite, being aware you’re playing into the wind, I don’t get why you would seem to intentionally kick high balls which don’t go anywhere/cede possession. The players and coaches don’t seem to be able to plan properly or figure this stuff out. Landajo was back to the laboured performances from a couple of months ago. Care made a big difference when he came on.

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Re: Disgrace
« Reply #57 on: Monday 17-Feb-2020, 21:47* »
Some cladding had come loose on the south stand by the media tower. Big panic apparently.

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Re: Disgrace
« Reply #58 on: Tuesday 18-Feb-2020, 17:32* »
I assuming that they had the choice of ends.
I think that the wind changed direction a little during the 2nd half and it wasn't affecting them as badly.  But, the wind probably gave a 2 try advantage.
During the 1st half, it was practically impossible to get out of our own half.  the wind just blew the ball back from every kick so we had very little good possession.
During the 2nd half, we were doing the same to them - but, as I said, the wind had altered direction a little and they were able to hit touch on one side. 
There were 4 key points in the game that went against us.
1. in the 1st half, we had a try disallowed.  Different ref on a different day may have allowed it (although re-watching it on the replay at home on Sunday, I saw that it was a clear block).
2. Myler took a kick in the first half.  The wind took it and it hit the posts - but then the wind too it over the sticks.
3. Smith missed the conversion that would have put us within 7 points. At that point, it was game on.
4. Charge down

I know that there was a final try to add gloss to the score, but if LI weren't chasing the bonus, then they would have probably just tried to kick the 3 points.  But, the try was scored when time was up, so it didn't make any impact to us.

Another interesting (key?) point was that on the many many occasions that the ball was loose on the ground and bobbling around it always seemed to end up with an Irish player. 

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Re: Disgrace
« Reply #59 on: Wednesday 19-Feb-2020, 13:15* »
Another interesting (key?) point was that on the many many occasions that the ball was loose on the ground and bobbling around it always seemed to end up with an Irish player.

Even the ball was biased!

 

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