Author Topic: England team for Scotland (Read 2634 times)

Quinten Poulsen · « **Reply #15 on:** Thursday 02-Feb-2023, 18:10* »

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Which is why I keep saying that Eddie’s choices can’t have had much impact on Marchant’s decision. Marchant’s lack of availability for England pretty much coincides with when Eddie was due to leave anyway.

I could certainly see how earning 20+ grand per game and being an England regular would have stopped him from considering moving abroad.

Championship Guy · « **Reply #16 on:** Friday 03-Feb-2023, 10:45* »

Smith and Farrell will work. Maybe not immediately, but it will.
I appreciate people dislike Farrell, but his Prem stats aren't far behind Smith's and he is world class.

What didn't work under Jones, which NEv sort of addressed in a recent interview, is that Farrell was being encouraged to play a hybrid 10/12 roll which often made him first receiver with Smith stood behind him (not even standing at 12). NEv will set Farrell up as an out and out 12 which can work (especially as an extra kicking option). It also gives England the option of Farrell slotting into 10 for quick ball, if (when) Marcus goes off on one of his magical runs.

Persoanlly, I'm excited with the direction England are heading....there are still changes I'd make (Murley!!!!) but it's already better than Jones's last squad.

JammyGit · « **Reply #17 on:** Friday 03-Feb-2023, 11:18* »

Which Prem stats? I think Farrell's superb for Saracens, but I very much doubt he's anywhere close in terms of tries scored, breaks made, defenders beaten, etc. Appreciate that is far from the only measure of a flyhalf.

And yes I think Farrell at 12 can work if he's willing to run hard lines as a 12. He's quite a physical guy and there's plenty of blokes of his size and ability who have managed it.

Championship Guy · « **Reply #18 on:** Friday 03-Feb-2023, 12:59* »

Points average is 0.4 in favour of Smith.
Try average 0.3 in favour of Smith.
Try assists are equal.
Break assists 1.3 in favour of Farrell.
Smith carries on average once more than Farrell.
Smith has double metres made.
Line Breaks 0.2 in favour of Smith.
Defenders beaten 0.1 in favour of Farrell.
Tackle evasion is equal.
Carry dominance - Farrell is three times more than Smith.
Gainline success % is 1% in favour of Farrell.

There's not alot in it...other than perhaps Quins rely on Smith more than Sarries do with Farrell. When Smith isn't around, Tommy does similar work, but that split second slower (still just my opinion).

Banstead Quin · « **Reply #19 on:** Friday 03-Feb-2023, 13:05* »

Plus Smith has played half of the games Farrell has

JammyGit · « **Reply #20 on:** Friday 03-Feb-2023, 13:41* »

Quote from: Championship Guy on Friday 03-Feb-2023, 12:59*

Points average is 0.4 in favour of Smith.
Try average 0.3 in favour of Smith.
Try assists are equal.
Break assists 1.3 in favour of Farrell.
Smith carries on average once more than Farrell.
Smith has double metres made.
Line Breaks 0.2 in favour of Smith.
Defenders beaten 0.1 in favour of Farrell.
Tackle evasion is equal.
Carry dominance - Farrell is three times more than Smith.
Gainline success % is 1% in favour of Farrell.

There's not alot in it...other than perhaps Quins rely on Smith more than Sarries do with Farrell. When Smith isn't around, Tommy does similar work, but that split second slower (still just my opinion).

Wow, where are these stats from?

Quin Kong · « **Reply #21 on:** Friday 03-Feb-2023, 14:01* »

In England terms.
In ten years and 101 games Farrell has scored ten tries.
Ford in eight years and 84 appearances has scored ten tries.
Smith in one year and 13 appearances has scored six tries.

Quin Kong · « **Reply #22 on:** Friday 03-Feb-2023, 14:10* »

Also in England terms.
Farrell averages 11.14 points per game.
Ford averages 3.67.
Smith averages 10.69.
Farrell, of course, has been the primary kicker when on the field.

Quin Kong · « **Reply #23 on:** Friday 03-Feb-2023, 14:30* »

In comparison:

Dan Carter in 12 years had 112 appearances with 29 tries and an average of 14.27 points per game.

Jonny Wilkinson in 13 years had 91 appearances with an average of 12.95 points per game (sorry I couldn’t find tries scored).

Johnny Sexton in 13 years has 109 appearances with 16 tries and an average of 9.31 per game.

JammyGit · « **Reply #24 on:** Friday 03-Feb-2023, 15:15* »

A while back (feb '21) I did a comparison of Farrell vs Ford at 10 for England.

Farrell starting at ten (including the Brisbane game where he moved to 12 after 29 minutes and Ford played 10 the entire time) in international rugby: 60% win rate
Ford starting at ten (not including the above game): 80%

Last five years:

Farrell: 64% (same caveat)
Ford: 81.5% (ditto)

Brown Bottle · « **Reply #25 on:** Friday 03-Feb-2023, 16:00* »

All just numbers. Andy Dunne had a better kicking percentage for Quins than Paul Burke. But it was obvious who was the better kicker as Dunne's limit was about 15 yards less.

Also, I'd be more interested, for instance, in try assists for a fly-half than tries scored. Ashton scored loads. 😁

#495 · « **Reply #26 on:** Friday 03-Feb-2023, 17:17* »

Ford is back this weekend too. I still think he could be England's best 10. Him, Ollie Lawrence and Marchant or Slade would be a very decent midfield.

Quin Kong · « **Reply #27 on:** Friday 03-Feb-2023, 17:22* »

Quote from: Brown Bottle on Friday 03-Feb-2023, 16:00*

All just numbers. Andy Dunne had a better kicking percentage for Quins than Paul Burke. But it was obvious who was the better kicker as Dunne's limit was about 15 yards less.

Also, I'd be more interested, for instance, in try assists for a fly-half than tries scored. Ashton scored loads. 😁

Alternatively it could be read that there has been a limited threat from 10/12 up to recently meaning teams such as South Africa have been able to contain England knowing where the threats are going to be.

Brown Bottle · « **Reply #28 on:** Friday 03-Feb-2023, 17:39* »

Quote from: Quin Kong on Friday 03-Feb-2023, 17:22*

Alternatively it could be read that there has been a limited threat from 10/12 up to recently meaning teams such as South Africa have been able to contain England knowing where the threats are going to be.

Frankly, with bare rugby data you could probably make a case for multiple readings. 😁

RodneyRegis · « **Reply #29 on:** Friday 03-Feb-2023, 18:25* »

Quote from: Championship Guy on Friday 03-Feb-2023, 12:59*

Points average is 0.4 in favour of Smith.
Try average 0.3 in favour of Smith.
Try assists are equal.
Break assists 1.3 in favour of Farrell.
Smith carries on average once more than Farrell.
Smith has double metres made.
Line Breaks 0.2 in favour of Smith.
Defenders beaten 0.1 in favour of Farrell.
Tackle evasion is equal.
Carry dominance - Farrell is three times more than Smith.
Gainline success % is 1% in favour of Farrell.

There's not alot in it...other than perhaps Quins rely on Smith more than Sarries do with Farrell. When Smith isn't around, Tommy does similar work, but that split second slower (still just my opinion).

Gosh, those stats are utterly meaningless. Why statisticians can't use useful comparators like minutes per break, rather than 0.0003 breaks per match is beyond me.

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