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Chipstead Quin

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Re: England team
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 31-Jan-2019, 13:25* »
I think most take it as read that Mike Brown is better under the high ball than Elliot Daly ( or most others) , however he isn't the best open field runner and certainly Daly , Nowell and Slade beat him hands down in that dept ,  so despite what EJ might say to the press as his game plan  , this selection suggests he wants to create as much unstructured play as possible , and I would expect us to run back at them more than usual rather than kick over them .

Lets hope it works .

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Re: England team
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 31-Jan-2019, 13:25* »
After all the stick Brown has received etc, he is still the best man for this job.  Daly may go well, but I think that is hope rather than expectation

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Re: England team
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 31-Jan-2019, 13:27* »
What was it Einstein said (or didn't say) about insanity again...?

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Re: England team
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 31-Jan-2019, 13:43* »
What was it Einstein said (or didn't say) about insanity again...?

Well quite, he never mentioned it.

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Re: England team
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 31-Jan-2019, 13:58* »
I was lucky enough to speak to Jonny Wilkinson the other month and when I asked him for his opinion on the Brown situation he said he was certain Brown will go to the RWC and still has a big part to play for England and that Eddie is trying things at this current time. I know he’s not Eddie Jones himself and we should take that with a pinch of salt regarding his opinion but I respect Wilkinson’s view on things and he has been working with England for a while so who knows. Keeping my fingers crossed! Mike deserves another World Cup!
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Re: England team
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 31-Jan-2019, 14:02* »
What was it Einstein said (or didn't say) about insanity again...?

Team was picked with the help of Mr Heisenberg, but Mr Shrodinger let the cat out of the box and now everyone knows Einstein preferred football.
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Re: England team
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 31-Jan-2019, 14:05* »
Here's an alternative view: Eddie needs at least 2 fullback options for the RWC. Watson would have been one, but there's no guarantee he will be back in time. So he needs to develop another.

Daly has the huge advantage of versatility, but he's inexperienced at fullback. So, with one eye on the RWC, who do you get more value from giving game time to?

Mike Brown, who's shown time and again that he will turn up and do a job as long as he's fit, doesn't need time to play himself into form and will react to being dropped by working harder until he's back in contention.

Or Elliot Daly, who's an outrageous talent but needs to get experience of playing crunch games , especially in an unfamiliar position?

I'm surprised Eddie has picked Daly for this game, but on the other hand it's almost certainly the toughest game for a full back before the RWC itself.

I would still bet on Brown being part of the RWC squad if he's fit, though, because the only other experienced international full back is Goode, and he doesn't cut it at International level.

You could substitute "Robshaw" and "Shields" or "Wilson" in the sentences above and they'd read much the same.
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Re: England team
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 31-Jan-2019, 14:07* »
Hard to see Brown making the RWC starting XV (barring injuries) if he isn't selected against a team famous for their high balls. Hope I am wrong...

I can see Brown in the WC squad though as cover for FB and wing.

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Re: England team
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 31-Jan-2019, 14:09* »
I think most take it as read that Mike Brown is better under the high ball than Elliot Daly ( or most others) , however he isn't the best open field runner and certainly Daly , Nowell and Slade beat him hands down in that dept ,  so despite what EJ might say to the press as his game plan  , this selection suggests he wants to create as much unstructured play as possible , and I would expect us to run back at them more than usual rather than kick over them .

Lets hope it works .

Yes, that certainly looks to be the plan but it's unbelievably high risk. The experiment continues, which doesn't seem to include winning this 6 nations.
 

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Re: England team
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 31-Jan-2019, 14:15* »
Yup, this is well OTT. Your assessment of Daly spot-on, Youngs almost correct (he's mainly just incredibly slow at everything and as I mentioned above, who else is realistically going to get picked?) but the rest of your post is just weird.

Farrell is our first name on the team sheet and probably one of only a few truly world class players in our squad (you could maybe say Billy and Maro are the others). And yes, at 10 - not just 12. Ford has been found out at international level time and time again - although does offer options to change up our game from the bench.

Don't see the big deal about Nowell and May wearing 11/14. Wingers are often labelled up on the opposite wing to the one they end up standing on anyway. Modern wings tend to be able to play both sides nowadays too - especially if you want to be an international.

Tuilagi at 12 and Slade at 13 is the most exciting England centre partnership I've seen since probably Greenwood/Tindall. On paper of course. So glad Te'o is not available. He shouldn't even be sniffing around the squad.


Farrell world class at what?

He missed more tackles (at 12) in 2018 6Nations than any other player of all 6 countries, and missed more tackles (at 10) than any other England player in the AI's.

His kicking stats for the 2018 6Nations were the worst of all the primary kickers of all 6 countries (a risible 63%)

His passing is average, his kicking out of hand is poor and his captaincy consists of making the wrong calls (NZ in the AI's), saying nothing to his team-mates most of the time or berating them for not passing to him (Cips in SA), or repeatedly getting warned about his shouting and screaming at sir while not having the first clue how to speak to them (many on the Sarries forum say he's not a captain).

If this was any other player they wouldn't be anywhere near the team. Even his ex team-mates are now calling him Englands weak link:

https://www.france24.com/en/20190129-hothead-england-captain-farrell-weak-link-stringer




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Re: England team
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 31-Jan-2019, 14:29* »

Farrell world class at what?

He missed more tackles (at 12) in 2018 6Nations than any other player of all 6 countries, and missed more tackles (at 10) than any other England player in the AI's.

His kicking stats for the 2018 6Nations were the worst of all the primary kickers of all 6 countries (a risible 63%)

His passing is average, his kicking out of hand is poor and his captaincy consists of making the wrong calls (NZ in the AI's), saying nothing to his team-mates most of the time or berating them for not passing to him (Cips in SA), or repeatedly getting warned about his shouting and screaming at sir while not having the first clue how to speak to them (many on the Sarries forum say he's not a captain).

If this was any other player they wouldn't be anywhere near the team. Even his ex team-mates are now calling him Englands weak link:

https://www.france24.com/en/20190129-hothead-england-captain-farrell-weak-link-stringer

Great argument -- everyone knows Stringer is renowned for being a level-headed and calm voice of authority.

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Re: England team
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 31-Jan-2019, 14:34* »
I must admit I've never really known what differences there are between right and left wing in terms of whether there are different skills involved, other than which foot you can step off. I'd never know whether a winger is usually left or right.

Got to disagree with Rodney re Farrell, but he will have to be whiter than white with his tackling after the, deserved, scrutiny he's had. He also needs to sort out his attitude when speaking to the ref. I don't think he'll ever offer much of a creative spark, but he'll do all the basic skills very, very well. Similar to Wilkinson in many ways, so you need that spark outside. It's not going to come from Tuilagi really, in terms of doing something unexpected, so has to come from Slade. Farrell is great at general game management, usually a very good kicker, usually very solid in defence and with a great pass, just unlikely to pick apart a defence with a piece of skill like Ford, Cipriani, Smith, etc would.

I've never been a fan of Youngs and think he is hugely overrated. At least he can pass to the desired target most of the time now, but he's so slow, and his box kicking is not as amazing as people seem to think. He rarely has a great tournament, but occasionally has a great game which seems to stick in people's minds.

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Re: England team
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 31-Jan-2019, 14:36* »
Poorfour remains the point Daley is Eddies first choice 15 if what you say was true I would have expected Brown to be given some game time over the autumn. Will Brown go to the World Cup yes but it will be as second choice 15 not first
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TomBuckQuin

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Re: England team
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 31-Jan-2019, 14:38* »
Poorfour remains the point Daley is Eddies first choice 15 if what you say was true I would have expected Bryan to be given some game time over the autumn. Will Brown go to the World Cup yes but it will be as second choice 15 not first

Look forward to seeing Bryan in action at some point over the course of the 6N. He any good?

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Re: England team
« Reply #29 on: Thursday 31-Jan-2019, 14:42* »
Alert  typo police

 

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