Author Topic: Fourth or seventh? (Read 1964 times)

QuinKent · « **on:** Sunday 05-May-2019, 08:18* »

So we are still in with a shot at 4th if we win and Saints don’t. And fifth or sixth still look likely, which is fantastic given where we ended last season. But lose without a point and depending on other results we could be seventh, which would be a shame (if Sale win in two weeks time and we lose we’d be level on points but below them on games won).

Yareet · « **Reply #1 on:** Sunday 05-May-2019, 09:21* »

For me the most fascinating thing is that all of those options feel genuinely possible.

nowexnavyquin · « **Reply #2 on:** Sunday 05-May-2019, 10:19* »

No matter what the outcome this season has been a lot better, Quins still are in with a shout if fourth and how many people would have predicted that at the start of the season, I think most thought 6th would be a great a achievement well I certainly did. With the players coming in next season promises to be exciting.

Quinofthestoneage · « **Reply #3 on:** Sunday 05-May-2019, 10:33* »

Interestingly 7th this year could still see us in the Champions Cup:

"In accordance with a decision of the EPCR Board comprising the nine unions, federations and league bodies, the 20th place in the Heineken Champions Cup will be determined as follows:

i) Heineken Champions Cup winner, if not already qualified
ii) Challenge Cup winner, if not already qualified
iii) Challenge Cup losing finalist, if not already qualified
iv) Play-off match between the losing Challenge Cup semi-finalists, if not already qualified
v) Highest ranked non-qualified club by virtue of league position from the same league as the Heineken Champions Cup winner"

New Forest Quin · « **Reply #4 on:** Sunday 05-May-2019, 10:46* »

Surely top 6 is confirmed.
Sale could equal Quins 55 points but with a vastly inferior For v Against, Wasps could get 57 points but, even if they did, Quins would drop to 6th and Sale to 7th.
Or am I missing something?

Quinston Churchill · « **Reply #5 on:** Sunday 05-May-2019, 10:48* »

We need to keep it in our own hands. A win is essential and bonus point win would give us a great chance of fourth.

Saints are certainly capable of beating Exeter (particularly given the relative form of the two sides. I’d expect Exeter to want to bounce back ahead of the play-offs though.

Quinofthestoneage · « **Reply #6 on:** Sunday 05-May-2019, 10:54* »

Quote from: New Forest Quin on Sunday 05-May-2019, 10:46*

Surely top 6 is confirmed.
Sale could equal Quins 55 points but with a vastly inferior For v Against, Wasps could get 57 points but, even if they did, Quins would drop to 6th and Sale to 7th.
Or am I missing something?

I might be wrong, but I think it's number of overall wins that determines ranking rather than points for and against. There is a scenario in which Wasps get max points, Saints and Sale win and we get pushed into seventh on fewer wins. (He said, with more certainty than he felt) To avoid this scenario I think we would need at least a losing bonus point against Wasps.

Quinston Churchill · « **Reply #7 on:** Sunday 05-May-2019, 11:11* »

Sale are a threat if Gloucester rest players, which is entirely possible given that their play-off place is already confirmed.

I’d be extremely disappointed if we get nothing from Wasps though. They’ve looked pretty poor this season and we know we have it all to play for. 4 points should be minimum requirement, but 1 would probably cement top 6.

Fearless Fred · « **Reply #8 on:** Sunday 05-May-2019, 11:36* »

Quote from: Quinofthestoneage on Sunday 05-May-2019, 10:54*

I might be wrong, but I think it's number of overall wins that determines ranking rather than points for and against. There is a scenario in which Wasps get max points, Saints and Sale win and we get pushed into seventh on fewer wins. (He said, with more certainty than he felt) To avoid this scenario I think we would need at least a losing bonus point against Wasps.

These are the rules, as explained on the Premiership site...

Quote

In the case of equality at any stage of the Season, positions at that stage of the season shall be determined firstly by the number of wins achieved and then on the basis of match points differential. A Club with a larger number of wins shall be placed higher than a Club with the same number of league points but fewer wins.

If Clubs have equal league points and equal number of wins then a Club with a larger difference between match points “for” and match points “against” shall be placed higher in the Premiership League than a Club with a smaller difference between match points “for” and match points “against”.

Should two Clubs have the same number of league points and the same match points difference, the Club having scored more match points “for” shall be placed higher in the Premiership League than the Club having the lesser number of match points “for”.

If the above does not establish different Premiership League positions then the Club in the higher position shall be the Club that has achieved the higher aggregate match points scored by it in the same season against the other Club.

If this still does not establish the position then the Club who has won the most matches, excluding its first Premiership League match of the season, then its second Premiership League match and so on, until it can be established which the higher placed Club is.

So it comes down to:

Number of wins
Points Difference
Points For
Aggregate Score between the clubs in question
Number of wins excluding the table toppers, 2nd, 3rd, etc...

Yareet · « **Reply #9 on:** Sunday 05-May-2019, 11:38* »

Quote from: Quinston Churchill on Sunday 05-May-2019, 11:11*

Sale are a threat if Gloucester rest players, which is entirely possible given that their play-off place is already confirmed.

I’d be extremely disappointed if we get nothing from Wasps though. They’ve looked pretty poor this season and we know we have it all to play for. 4 points should be minimum requirement, but 1 would probably cement top 6.

Given we (Sale) got a BP win at Kingsholm, if (massive I’d) we manage to make it click, we should be a threat even if Gloucester don’t rest players.

noah_jo · « **Reply #10 on:** Sunday 05-May-2019, 18:44* »

As much as I am excited by our improvement, a complete capitulation in our most important match of the season potentially would not be unexpected

Quinten Poulsen · « **Reply #11 on:** Sunday 05-May-2019, 18:50* »

Can't say I'm that excited about our improvement. Losing 6 from the last 7 is still a shocking effort, and that solitary win scraping past a rubbish Tigers side at home! I'm expecting more of the same in two weeks' time.

Quinten Poulsen · « **Reply #12 on:** Sunday 05-May-2019, 18:51* »

Maybe it's the last 5 from 6.

noah_jo · « **Reply #13 on:** Sunday 05-May-2019, 19:38* »

Well we're clearly better than last year and I am more excited as a result

SiB · « **Reply #14 on:** Sunday 05-May-2019, 20:01* »

Don’t get the negativity, for a good few seasons, travelled to games home and away expecting to get a thumping, this season have looked at teams sheets and thought “ We could win this”
At this stage to be in the possibility of a play off place and securing top table rugby with Gussys first season is a massive improvement, and it’s great to have a bit of faith restored
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