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Re: Future Quins v Sarries games
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 21-Mar-2019, 13:31* »
Just to add - the new stadium has an artificial pitch below the grass pitch, designed primarily for NFL games. So it is not a given that the game will be on grass.   
The new ground is arguably the best purpose built football stadium in the UK, designed for good sight lines and atmosphere.  One end is a 17,500 single tier section, with the option of standing for 3000, if allowed, using rail seating. The main downside is the public transport, although by next year, White Hart Lane station should have been expanded.     

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Re: Future Quins v Sarries games
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 21-Mar-2019, 13:45* »
Although there are still some seats in there with an obstructed view of the pitch.

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« Reply #17 on: Thursday 21-Mar-2019, 13:49* »
I agree to a certain extent but don't think Sarries should specify that their Wembley/Olympic Stadium/Spurs Stadium over the years should always be Quins, it should be fixture list dependant.

So... double standards. Chipstead makes a good point - why is it then fair that the Christmas game is always a home game for us? That's still manipulation of the fixture list, whether you like to admit it or not.

The point is, does it matter? We should be going out to win every game every week, no matter who the opposition is and where we're playing.

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« Reply #18 on: Thursday 21-Mar-2019, 13:55* »
There's a 1 in 2 chance that the game is either home or away. Ourselves, Bath, Sarries and now Newcastle have decided that they'd like to have these Big Games to broaden the appeal of the clubs. This involves asking for a home game on a specific weekend. OK - fair enough.

There's a 1 in 11 chance with the opposition for any given league game. Ourselves and Newcastle play whoever we're theoretically due to play then. Sarries and Bath ask for both the weekend and the opposition - the same opposition every year. That's the difference.

I'm not getting too exorcised over it - it may overall be a good thing for us (though losing to them in this game very single year since 2013 probably doesn't show us in the best light), I just find it a bit of an anomaly that teams are allowed to pick their opposition for a specific game. 
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« Reply #19 on: Thursday 21-Mar-2019, 14:00* »
My point still stands... so?

If anything, these big games can be a disadvantage to the "home" side. Usually, the atmosphere is dreadful, the surroundings are as familiar to your oppo as they are to you, goodbye 16th man. I just really can't see the issue from our point-of-view and I'm sorry, but it really doesn't bring the game into disrepute in any way. Sarries have asked, presumably PRL have said "sure, why not, good for the growth of the game". And we can all watch on TV. Happy days.
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« Reply #20 on: Thursday 21-Mar-2019, 14:03* »
I'm also a Spurs fan so fantastic news for me that Quin's will be playing at White Hart Lane. It's like merging the 2 together lol.

Here's some facts about the new Stadium:

Stadium capacity is 62,062

There will be a Sky Walk in the stadium with the public able to climb up and stroll above the hallowed turf, hanging from the roof.

There is a microbrewery being built into the stadium. Staff at the new arena will be able to pour an astonishing 10,000 pints a minute, meanwhile fans will also be allowed to pump their own beers

As Tottenham attempt to recreate the atmosphere of White Hart Lane, the first row of supporters will be just 8 metres from the touchline. At Arsenal fans are 13 metres away, and this year Spurs fans have been 18 metre’s away at Wembley.

If you’re lucky enough to have premium seats at the new stadium, you’ll have heated seat, USB charging ports, and access to lounges

Tottenham Hotspur’s new stadium will have its own on-site bakery.

The pitch at the new Tottenham Hotspur stadium will be 105 metres by 68 metres, which is almost the same size as the Wembley surface (105m x 69m)

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Re: Future Quins v Sarries games
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 21-Mar-2019, 14:05* »
Agree to disagree. I don't think it's right. You're cool with it. That's fine.
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« Reply #22 on: Thursday 21-Mar-2019, 14:19* »
I'm also a Spurs fan so fantastic news for me that Quin's will be playing at White Hart Lane. It's like merging the 2 together lol.

Here's some facts about the new Stadium:

Stadium capacity is 62,062

There will be a Sky Walk in the stadium with the public able to climb up and stroll above the hallowed turf, hanging from the roof.

There is a microbrewery being built into the stadium. Staff at the new arena will be able to pour an astonishing 10,000 pints a minute, meanwhile fans will also be allowed to pump their own beers

As Tottenham attempt to recreate the atmosphere of White Hart Lane, the first row of supporters will be just 8 metres from the touchline. At Arsenal fans are 13 metres away, and this year Spurs fans have been 18 metre’s away at Wembley.

If you’re lucky enough to have premium seats at the new stadium, you’ll have heated seat, USB charging ports, and access to lounges

Tottenham Hotspur’s new stadium will have its own on-site bakery.

The pitch at the new Tottenham Hotspur stadium will be 105 metres by 68 metres, which is almost the same size as the Wembley surface (105m x 69m)

And if you love an anti-Semitic chant, you're laughing. Assume the Labour party will be hosting conference there next year.

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Re: Future Quins v Sarries games
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 21-Mar-2019, 14:46* »
I see. Well I for one am not bothered. Gussy is building a squad with the aim to beat anyone, any time. I don't really care when we play them - and as above, not exposing our players to the Allianz tarmac pitch can only be a good thing.

Without wishing to come across as overly negative, what makes you think that? Unless you are expecting a handful of 1st XV signings tomorrow, I don't see that our starting team, which palpably cannot beat anyone at any time, has been strengthened in any significant way yet.

Campagnaro < Marchant
Botta < Marler
Landajo < Care
Kerrod/Young < Horwill/Symons
Lawday < Dombrandt

Evans maybe, but is he better than Clifford/Chis/Robshaw? Baldwin better than Crumpton? Probably, but certainly not enough to change us into world beaters. Lewies better than Symons?

A more competitive squad overall, and removing some dead wood, but a team who can beat anyone any time?

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« Reply #24 on: Thursday 21-Mar-2019, 15:00* »
Without wishing to come across as overly negative, what makes you think that? Unless you are expecting a handful of 1st XV signings tomorrow, I don't see that our starting team, which palpably cannot beat anyone at any time, has been strengthened in any significant way yet.

Campagnaro < Marchant
Botta < Marler
Landajo < Care
Kerrod/Young < Horwill/Symons
Lawday < Dombrandt

Evans maybe, but is he better than Clifford/Chis/Robshaw? Baldwin better than Crumpton? Probably, but certainly not enough to change us into world beaters. Lewies better than Symons?

A more competitive squad overall, and removing some dead wood, but a team who can beat anyone any time?

Hold on Rodders, we're 3rd in Gustard's first season after being the laughing stock of the Prem. And we've beaten Chiefs and Sarries.

We have a squad that hasn't changed much since 2011. And it's full of squad players / academy graduates who haven't really done much for us.

Lawday may be < Dombrandt but he may well be > anyone in our current squad.

Landajo < Care. Again what's your point? So was Dickson, and he was superb.
Likewise Botta < Marler.

Don't understand the argument. Are you expecting these players to start every game in every competition?

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Re: Future Quins v Sarries games
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 21-Mar-2019, 15:08* »
And if you love an anti-Semitic chant, you're laughing. Assume the Labour party will be hosting conference there next year.


It's not an anti-semitic chant. Do you even know the history between the Jewish community and the club? Why even bring that up? 

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Re: Future Quins v Sarries games
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 21-Mar-2019, 15:09* »
I think it will do some good to the Harlequins squad, playing more games in bigger stadiums with potentially bigger crowds is in my eyes great for the whole squad (especially the younger guys) to get used to “big game occasions” if you like.
Playing more games in big stadiums will give the players more experience and will help when we play games like Premiership, European & Cup Finals, and big teams in their big stadiums, if that makes sense.

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Re: Future Quins v Sarries games
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 21-Mar-2019, 15:13* »
Without wishing to come across as overly negative, what makes you think that? Unless you are expecting a handful of 1st XV signings tomorrow, I don't see that our starting team, which palpably cannot beat anyone at any time, has been strengthened in any significant way yet.

Campagnaro < Marchant
Botta < Marler
Landajo < Care
Kerrod/Young < Horwill/Symons
Lawday < Dombrandt

Evans maybe, but is he better than Clifford/Chis/Robshaw? Baldwin better than Crumpton? Probably, but certainly not enough to change us into world beaters. Lewies better than Symons?

A more competitive squad overall, and removing some dead wood, but a team who can beat anyone any time?

I think you're removing a lot of variables from play there and massively oversimplifying the overall outcome of the recruitment.

I mostly agree with you on "so-and-so" < "so-and-so". Although I'd probably say Lewies will overtake Horwill as starter and form a partnership with Symons pretty early doors. So our second row has definitely been strengthened. But fair enough that generally we haven't brought in obvious starters in most of those positions.

However, it's quite clear to me that Gussy's intention was never to bring in nailed on first choices in the positions you've listed - because they're all positions of strength for us in terms of our first choice picks. Marchant, Marler, Care, Symons, Dombrandt are all first names on the team sheet. The recruitment there is about strength-in-depth - i.e. when one or more of those guys is unavailable or is tired after 60 mins at the coalface, are we going to implode when the next man steps in? With those new guys in behind you've got to be thinking we won't be as vulnerable when our "big" name players can't play.

At hooker, I have no doubt Baldwin is seen as first choice. Crumpton has been great and will only get better competing for game time with Baldwin. Elia will keep learning. There's a succession plan there.

Evans gives us something we currently don't have.

The thing is, 9 times out of 10 our first XV fills me with confidence. It's our bench that has been lacking quality.

Another variable: player character. Gussy has spoken about it a lot. He clearly has a very good grasp of man management but he needs players who buy in. This season he inherited someone else's squad. Now he's on the road to making it his squad. People he wants to work with and guys he has identified as improving our chances of winning each game.

There are other factors at play but I'm at work and can't spend another 5 mins typing today without getting shouted at. But above gives you some idea of why I think Gussy is shaping us into a team that can beat anyone on any given day.

And of course, we only have one likely idea about who we'll be seeing in tomorrow's announcements. Which hopefully means there's a well kept secret big name or two. But even if not, we're stronger next season already.
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Re: Future Quins v Sarries games
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 21-Mar-2019, 15:17* »

It's not an anti-semitic chant. Do you even know the history between the Jewish community and the club? Why even bring that up?

It was a joke. About the Labour party. I'm pretty sure jokes are still allowed.

And yes, I'm well aware of the history and the on-going campaign by Kick It Out and many other groups led by high-profile Jewish fans like David Baddiel and others asking the club to stop the chant as well as the counter argument made by other groups.

It was still a funny joke about the Labour party conference.

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Re: Future Quins v Sarries games
« Reply #29 on: Thursday 21-Mar-2019, 15:20* »
Hold on Rodders, we're 3rd in Gustard's first season after being the laughing stock of the Prem. And we've beaten Chiefs and Sarries.

We have a squad that hasn't changed much since 2011. And it's full of squad players / academy graduates who haven't really done much for us.

Lawday may be < Dombrandt but he may well be > anyone in our current squad.

Landajo < Care. Again what's your point? So was Dickson, and he was superb.
Likewise Botta < Marler.

Don't understand the argument. Are you expecting these players to start every game in every competition?

What?

How can Lawday turn us from NOT a team who can beat anyone, any time to a team who CAN beat anyone any time?

I didn't say we hadn't strengthened, only time will tell. But unless we announce some 1st XV players tomorrow, I don't see how anybody could claim Gussy is "building a squad who can beat anyone, any time".

"We're 3rd in Gustard's first season after being the laughing stock of the Prem. And we've beaten Chiefs and Sarries." Again, great, I couldn't be happier. But it's nothing to do with the comment I addressed.

Oh and Exeter? Sure but Sarries? Come on  ::)

 

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