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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
« Reply #60 on: Wednesday 06-Mar-2019, 14:44* »
is he still involved in Gloucester I thought he had sold up several years ago. Not saying he can't have views as a rugby and Gloucester fan.

He sold up, but was in charge from 2010-2016.

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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
« Reply #63 on: Thursday 07-Mar-2019, 09:03* »
Would also be interesting to know why all the Quins truly independent Directors resigned last year en masse now just David Ellis, David Morgan who is involved with Charles Jillings investment company, Sandra Pope who is also company secretary of his companies on the board. Maybe the same reason as Danny is quoting as one of the reasons for Cos going.

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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
« Reply #64 on: Thursday 07-Mar-2019, 10:43* »
The only penalty that would truly be effective is being docked 30 points or even being relegated. Monetary fines are pointless.

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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
« Reply #65 on: Thursday 07-Mar-2019, 11:56* »
Would also be interesting to know why all the Quins truly independent Directors resigned last year en masse now just David Ellis, David Morgan who is involved with Charles Jillings investment company, Sandra Pope who is also company secretary of his companies on the board. Maybe the same reason as Danny is quoting as one of the reasons for Cos going.

What is the reason???

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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
« Reply #66 on: Thursday 07-Mar-2019, 12:02* »
On this weeks BBC Rugby Podcast  Danny Care and Ugo Monye both said that one of the main reasons that COS left Quins was because he was fed up with the Salary Cap situation , he said it wasn't a level playing field and it was all being swept under the carpet .

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p072lt8w

somewhere in the last 10 mins
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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
« Reply #67 on: Thursday 07-Mar-2019, 12:11* »
Thanks for that.  Guess we are in the clear then


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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
« Reply #70 on: Thursday 07-Mar-2019, 12:43* »
As I said, nice to see all these senior players starting to learn how to make their own way in the world and planning for their post rugby situation. And it's all the players you might have thought would have difficulty fitting under a salary cap. Strange that.

And as I said, suspect the Mail has other ammunition from a 4 month investigation.

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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
« Reply #71 on: Thursday 07-Mar-2019, 13:03* »
 
England kick Saracens questions into touch in bid to avoid distractions

But at least we can be assured that it will be looked into after the 6 Nations   ;) ::)

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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
« Reply #72 on: Thursday 07-Mar-2019, 13:08* »
As I said, nice to see all these senior players starting to learn how to make their own way in the world and planning for their post rugby situation. And it's all the players you might have thought would have difficulty fitting under a salary cap. Strange that.

And as I said, suspect the Mail has other ammunition from a 4 month investigation.

It may be that others also have the same support/assistance/benefit, but it's less interesting to the press? Would anyone care if he was in business with a fifth choice centre?

As for players making their way in the world, I think that's a great idea and credit for them for doing so. And with the amounts that they allegedly earn, investing in high value property is actually a very strong, proven investment model.

Now... I am also sure as you are that there is a lot more information that hasn't been put out yet. I'm also sure (just gut feeling) that Sarries/Wray have done something untoward and against the rules/principles. But reading Walkinshaw's comments exposes how difficult it is to squash this. Many people know, many are/were guilty to varying degrees, nobody will talk.

My feeling is that it will all come tumbling down, probably due to some (non-refereeing) whistleblower. This is likely IMO to be a former player as a current player may fear being unable to get another contract. The question is, what about the players involved? Let's assume, hypothetically, that Itoje and the Vunipolas are both knowingly involved in something like this. Should they be banned from playing for England? Or from playing entirely? For how long? In fact, whilst the clubs have signed up to the salary cap agreement, what about the players? Is there some way in which they are effectively a party to the salary cap rules, as opposed to being a commodity?

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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
« Reply #73 on: Thursday 07-Mar-2019, 13:54* »
As I said, nice to see all these senior players starting to learn how to make their own way in the world and planning for their post rugby situation. And it's all the players you might have thought would have difficulty fitting under a salary cap. Strange that.

And as I said, suspect the Mail has other ammunition from a 4 month investigation.

I wish they'd show it then, as all we've seen so far is hardly controversial.

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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
« Reply #74 on: Thursday 07-Mar-2019, 16:27* »
I wish they'd show it then, as all we've seen so far is hardly controversial.

That's the thing. It looks bad because it's shown in a certain way. It looks unsavoury, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. Either the Mail are just blowing it out of proportion by sensationalising it, or they're keeping their powder dry; or maybe they have intel, but are afraid to use it as it's unsubstantiable.

 

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