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Author Topic: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?  (Read 4497 times)

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DOK

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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
« Reply #75 on: Thursday 07-Mar-2019, 16:48 »
My guess, and it is just that, is the Mail are building a case by drip feeding information and there's SHOCK! HORROR! to come. Otherwise why didn't they just announce the Itoje thing with the others? It could be an attempt to create an atmosphere where "sweeping it under the carpet" is not possible. 

As for the England situation, there is a big difference between what the clubs do and what the RFU do. That's the whole club vs country issue. The salary cap is something between the clubs, PRL and the players. I don't see it having anything to do with England/RFU.

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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
« Reply #76 on: Thursday 07-Mar-2019, 16:55 »
I don't think it looks unsavoury at all. I think the Mail is making itself look a bit dumb.

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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
« Reply #77 on: Thursday 07-Mar-2019, 17:21 »
My guess, and it is just that, is the Mail are building a case by drip feeding information and there's SHOCK! HORROR! to come. Otherwise why didn't they just announce the Itoje thing with the others? It could be an attempt to create an atmosphere where "sweeping it under the carpet" is not possible. 

As for the England situation, there is a big difference between what the clubs do and what the RFU do. That's the whole club vs country issue. The salary cap is something between the clubs, PRL and the players. I don't see it having anything to do with England/RFU.

I should clarify, DOK. Think back to when DC had his minor indiscretions - it was perceived as a public slap on the wrist to drop him, whilst pointing out that such behaviour is not conducive to being an England player. That was conduct entirely unrelated to rugby.

If a player is complicit in effectively cheating (albeit off the pitch), how would that look if the RFU simply shrugged their collective shoulders and did nothing? The message would be that you mustn't be an ar*e in your own time away from rugby, but it's acceptable to cheat your fellow players and fans alike.

As for the drip feed, I hope you're right. It could also be that they have scant information, which is why they're releasing it slowly, perhaps in the hope that it will draw something out of the woodwork. It's always best to start with something tantalising, then land a big expose, leaving people thinking (hoping) there's more.

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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
« Reply #78 on: Thursday 07-Mar-2019, 17:23 »
That's the thing. It looks bad because it's shown in a certain way. It looks unsavoury, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. Either the Mail are just blowing it out of proportion by sensationalising it, or they're keeping their powder dry; or maybe they have intel, but are afraid to use it as it's unsubstantiable.
The Mail unsavoury- wash your mouth out please!

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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
« Reply #79 on: Thursday 07-Mar-2019, 18:11 »
Of course the Mail will draw it out, any paper would. People who are interested will buy the paper each time a new bit of info comes out. The publicity will last longer and maybe buying some time for legal issues or deals to be done.
     The main question for me is how much money did the players put into the companies. Did Wray and his associates put the cash or assets in and then hand over the companies ?

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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
« Reply #80 on: Thursday 07-Mar-2019, 19:09 »
...Either the Mail are just blowing it out of proportion by sensationalising it, or...

It's not like they've form in doing this...

DOK

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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
« Reply #81 on: Thursday 07-Mar-2019, 22:23 »
If I was Saracens, perish the thought, I mean the bit of Saracens that allegedly is responsible for creative ways of keeping payments off the books, then I'd be worried about what started this. If the Mail just decided to go digging, do a bit of investigative journalism if you would, then that's one thing. If they have an actual, honest to goodness informant who has decided to spill beans going way back... Then a lot of lawyers are going to get very rich in a very short space of time.

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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
« Reply #82 on: Thursday 07-Mar-2019, 22:42 »
So far thereís absolutely nothing to this at all, the Mail have produced lots of speculation from the flimsiest of bases but no evidence of any wrongdoing. That doesnít mean there isnít any of course and I like a nice conspiracy theory as much as anyone. :o

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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
« Reply #83 on: Friday 08-Mar-2019, 00:02 »
It's not like they've form in doing this...

They certainly have a lot of form in very careful uncovering of scandal and calling out of impropriety.

The internet sidebar of shame does not define the Mailís history.

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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
« Reply #84 on: Friday 08-Mar-2019, 00:23 »
Spoil sport

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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
« Reply #85 on: Friday 08-Mar-2019, 09:15 »
My guess, and it is just that, is the Mail are building a case by drip feeding information and there's SHOCK! HORROR! to come. Otherwise why didn't they just announce the Itoje thing with the others? It could be an attempt to create an atmosphere where "sweeping it under the carpet" is not possible. 

As for the England situation, there is a big difference between what the clubs do and what the RFU do. That's the whole club vs country issue. The salary cap is something between the clubs, PRL and the players. I don't see it having anything to do with England/RFU.
I agree

As I said, nice to see all these senior players starting to learn how to make their own way in the world and planning for their post rugby situation. And it's all the players you might have thought would have difficulty fitting under a salary cap. Strange that.

And as I said, suspect the Mail has other ammunition from a 4 month investigation.
Yes many of the left do not like the DM ( not my rag of choice) but some of their investigation journalism is very good.  It may fly in the face of people's own personal liberal narrative however. 

marlowish

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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
« Reply #86 on: Friday 08-Mar-2019, 09:17 »
It's not like they've form in doing this...
they have also dome so excellent investigations - generalising is childish

harlequins

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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
« Reply #87 on: Friday 08-Mar-2019, 09:46 »
Let us see what happens. If, and it is an 'if', Saracens have been buying houses etc. and then handing them over below true value or if they have been funnelling other revenue through the companies then they deserve all they get. But what will they get? - fined? Saracens will just pay it and just continue. Perhaps we need a Fair Play like in football and for anyone found to be cheating ban any recruitment plus a fine. I am not saying Saracens are guilty but they sure have a track record.

As another option, is it not time for fans to stop going to any Saracens away game? It does not help your own team but a total lack of away fans may give a message to the PRL. I can't see though Saracens being bothered if no away fans go.

If Saracens are guilty and nothing happens then Saracens will just continue to recruit more and more internationals and squeeze them under the salary cap....or buy them houses, pay them into SA bank accounts or other things they have been accused of doing.

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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
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Quinky

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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
« Reply #89 on: Friday 08-Mar-2019, 10:18 »
The BBC Sport take on it: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/47481608


How funny that the only team they mention as having breached the cap is Quins. Breached by a whopping 0.18%. Weren't Wasps also guilty of a much higher breach?

Personally I'd trust the Mail over the BBC any day! The Mail has a bad reputation and it makes me laugh when people dismiss reports by saying "It's The Mail", as if that negates everything. A bit like people quoting The Guardian as if it's a sensible, balanced viewpoint.

 

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