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Author Topic: He’s brilliant and he’s a legend  (Read 1426 times)

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DOK

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Monte

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Re: He’s brilliant and he’s a legend
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 06-Aug-2019, 17:47* »
Not sure he is a legend but certainly helped Quins pull everything back together and built on what Deano had started so we won Premiership. I am an admirer but not to legendary status!

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Re: He’s brilliant and he’s a legend
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 06-Aug-2019, 20:51* »
No & no

Quins Head

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Re: He’s brilliant and he’s a legend
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 06-Aug-2019, 22:24* »
Not sure he us a legend yes we won the prem but then declined year on year after that not done anything special with Italy

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Re: He’s brilliant and he’s a legend
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 07-Aug-2019, 06:48* »
Legend, no.

Brilliant - hmm, totally failed to recruit players or coaches for post 2012 and let dressing room stagnate, maybe his mind was already elsewhere but...
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Re: He’s brilliant and he’s a legend
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 07-Aug-2019, 08:53* »
Legend, no.

Brilliant - hmm, totally failed to recruit players or coaches for post 2012 and let dressing room stagnate, maybe his mind was already elsewhere but...

agreed - did not replace our locks - brought in Casson fgs - Stanley ? - and a host of journey men


let us never forget the icon that was Doran-Jones either

we got progressively worse since 2012 as players left / retired they were replaced by other who were not up to prem level


A222Quin

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Re: He’s brilliant and he’s a legend
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 07-Aug-2019, 17:02* »
The problem Italy have is that while they make some marginal gains here and there, they're often short lived or the other nations make greater gains. They used to give Scotland a beating on a semi regular basis, and have beaten Wales, Ireland and France before but the rest have moved on and they are better but still way way behind.

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Re: He’s brilliant and he’s a legend
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 07-Aug-2019, 19:11* »
No he isn't and no he isn't.

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Re: He’s brilliant and he’s a legend
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 08-Aug-2019, 01:19* »
Never been an O'Shea fan but respect what he did to win the premiership.

Can't see what he has done for Italian rugby.

If he fails in the RWC his only way forward is to go back into sports admin. Can't see the IRU offering him his dream job in the near future.
 

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Re: He’s brilliant and he’s a legend
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 08-Aug-2019, 06:16* »
Just like the person at the top carries the can when thing goes wrong, COS should be credited with our best ever Prem performance.
As for Italy, we shouldn't just judge him on the national team's performance. I believe he is involved in improving the game at all levels, and their club performances have come on in leaps and bounds. They're no longer the whipping boys and that will ultimately benefit the national game.
For me, the best thing for them will be when Parisse retires. An absolute legend, a great player, but too often they've relied almost entirely on him.

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Re: He’s brilliant and he’s a legend
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 08-Aug-2019, 09:51* »
I thought COS benefited hugely from the preparation work undertaken by the Dean Richards team. I think his great contribution was his positive attitude which gave the players the confidence to go out and express themselves. The mystery to me was that when he announced he was leaving Quins, the performance fell off a cliff (and this was pre JK). So my question was more about the legacy - did his style of management leave one? From a results perspective, it appears not. Was he too domineering? Was their a lack of bringing on the next generation of coaches / managers? To be fair, this problem seems to exist with so many clubs where the top (very successful) manager leaves. It should be something the Board should keep a very close eye on and be responsible for. Slightly off topic, I know, as this is about Italy, but I hope the Italian top management are keeping an eye on this.

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Re: He’s brilliant and he’s a legend
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 08-Aug-2019, 10:13* »
Well at least one poster thinks PG is arrogant....

DOK

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Re: He’s brilliant and he’s a legend
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 08-Aug-2019, 11:53* »
I thought COS deserved credit for winning the Prem, regardless of whether it was a Dean Richards/Mark Evans legacy, he still had to get the team to pick themselves up and get over that line.

However, his recruitment seemed to be of the bargain basement kind, anyone available who was going cheap got bought up. Of course that sometimes worked, but it left a lopsided team and performance had fallen off before he left, I thought.

deadlyfrom5yardsout

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Re: He’s brilliant and he’s a legend
« Reply #13 on: Friday 09-Aug-2019, 09:07* »
I'd imagine the quality of the signings was reflected in the finances available at the time.

DOK

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Re: He’s brilliant and he’s a legend
« Reply #14 on: Friday 09-Aug-2019, 12:39* »
I don't think it likely that having won the Prem there wasn't increased money for players.

 

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