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Re: How to fix the error count that's killing us?
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The standard way to reduce any personal weakness is to practice ad nauseum to improve your skill be it tackling passing catching lineout or scrum.Having observed the occasional session at Guildford I see no repetitive training of this nature either personal or group .
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Quote from: DOK on Wednesday 20-Nov-2019, 19:41*

We seem to rely on the individual skills of players to break the line rather than being able to force it to happen from a plan to drag the opposition left, right, left until we make a hole and then run through it with good support runners. I do notice Nev has lost that tag of "skills coach". If only we could teach catching the ball, not knocking on, catching a high ball, passing ahead of the player, running through the gap instead of seeking contact - maybe we do need a skills coach.




Isn't that what Sean Long was brought in to do ? I agree that the "jobs for the boys' approach for ex-players (you can add Nick Easter to that list) doesn't seem to have paid dividends, but maybe Gustard is trying to gradually rectify this by bringing in experienced coaches (inc Toby Booth) to work alongside those former players to improve their coaching skillset. A long-term approach that won't reap immediate rewards ?
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Quote from: Neil Quinnock on Saturday 23-Nov-2019, 09:25*
Isn't that what Sean Long was brought in to do ? I agree that the "jobs for the boys' approach for ex-players (you can add Nick Easter to that list) doesn't seem to have paid dividends, but maybe Gustard is trying to gradually rectify this by bringing in experienced coaches (inc Toby Booth) to work alongside those former players to improve their coaching skillset. A long-term approach that won't reap immediate rewards ?

I think you make a valid point. Many people expect immediate results. Conversely, we have a few bad games and it's immediate doom and gloom. The season is long and there will be hiccups along the way. We need to learn from bad games and errors, and we also need to develop a squad so that if/when players deemed to be key to our winning are unavailable, we have options to fill the gap. That's how I see the rotation policy benefiting us in the longer term, although it will take time for players to get used to playing in different combinations.
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Quote from: Quinky on Saturday 23-Nov-2019, 09:48*
I think you make a valid point. Many people expect immediate results. Conversely, we have a few bad games and it's immediate doom and gloom. The season is long and there will be hiccups along the way. We need to learn from bad games and errors, and we also need to develop a squad so that if/when players deemed to be key to our winning are unavailable, we have options to fill the gap. That's how I see the rotation policy benefiting us in the longer term, although it will take time for players to get used to playing in different combinations.
I have to agree the top sides go through patches where they cant seem to win a game and come out the other side. This is now a test of character for coaches and players alike. We must also play our part and support the team through it.
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Quote from: RodneyRegis on Friday 22-Nov-2019, 13:56*
I don't think it's heretical whatsoever. There is no evidence that either have been good coaches.

Agree, all the evidence is against not for.
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Don't agree with all this long term stuff - it's just an excuse.

Gustard had the option this summer to recruit experienced players to cover weakness and do an immediate job - just as Deano did with Quins in the Championship. Other recruits could be more medium term and be introduced into a settled side playing to a successful gameplan the squad are all comfortable with (eg Sarries, Exeter).

The essential first job for any new coach is to go back to basics. By simply reducing errors and penalty count they will have an immediate effect on momentum and possession. They can then introduce more ideas as the players gain confidence.

If endless rotation is not successful then Gustard has to field his core set of XV players to do the job and gradually introduce the best of the rest/most able to play the system.

Otherwise the DoR not only looks clueless - he is incapable of working out what's happening in front of him on the field. Two or three more seasons won't change that (ie previous two DoRs).   

We still have to see how Gustard wants Quins to play - but (as said before) he has up to the Leicester game to prove his worth.
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Quote from: Quaking Quin on Saturday 23-Nov-2019, 12:55*
Don't agree with all this long term stuff - it's just an excuse.

Gustard had the option this summer to recruit experienced players to cover weakness and do an immediate job - just as Deano did with Quins in the Championship. Other recruits could be more medium term and be introduced into a settled side playing to a successful gameplan the squad are all comfortable with (eg Sarries, Exeter).

The essential first job for any new coach is to go back to basics. By simply reducing errors and penalty count they will have an immediate effect on momentum and possession. They can then introduce more ideas as the players gain confidence.

If endless rotation is not successful then Gustard has to field his core set of XV players to do the job and gradually introduce the best of the rest/most able to play the system.

Otherwise the DoR not only looks clueless - he is incapable of working out what's happening in front of him on the field. Two or three more seasons won't change that (ie previous two DoRs).   

We still have to see how Gustard wants Quins to play - but (as said before) he has up to the Leicester game to prove his worth.


He may have had the opportunity, but did he have the funds available?
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Gustard knew what his squad budget was this season.

He decided on the 15 new players that came and went.

It's always  balancing act but he also had the option to go for a lesser number of higher quality players within the same budget.   
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