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Author Topic: Kearnan Myall: ‘Several England players I know dread training camp’  (Read 1442 times)

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T-Bone

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Interesting interview. Pretty bleak reading.

You'd hope that things are improving. I obviously have no idea what the players are told when they are dropped but it must mess with some players being constantly dropped from training camps, then called up, then dropped again.

Thinking of Quins, last season we had a couple of players who went from more or less first choice to the bottom of the pile. Again, you'd hope that someone is keeping an eye on them

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Well, we do know that in COS's day, only COS was allowed to deal with Mike Brown after a match. Make of that what you will.

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Well, we do know that in COS's day, only COS was allowed to deal with Mike Brown after a match. Make of that what you will.

What do you mean deal with? Don;t think I;ve heard about this. I know him and Brown were meant to be very closed and the other players joked that CoS was his father

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The coaches said something after a "meet the coaches" evening that COS dealt with Mike Brown after a game and they weren't allowed to. For all I know it was an in-joke, but that's what they said. The only person allowed to talk to Mike immediately after a game was COS.
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ChequeredJersey

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After an England or Quins game?

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It's a sobering read, and you have to feel for him. But this line in particular strikes a chord:

"Academy hopefuls are taught how to be rugby players but not, necessarily, how to cope with real life."

I think this is becoming a problem in life genrally. This video explains one view, much better than I ever could:


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Quinky you and I will never agree on the world.

But that video is the opposite of what is meant by that paragraph - do you genuinely believe he’s arguing that it’s partly the players’ fault for being whining millennials?

As an aside, Sinek doesn’t even get the years of millennials right. It’s 1981-1996. How you can generalise about every human aged 23-38 does interest me. But even if you could he cites not a single study or fact, it’s just a rambling set of vague opinions backed up by nothing.

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Quinky you and I will never agree on the world.

But that video is the opposite of what is meant by that paragraph - do you genuinely believe he’s arguing that it’s partly the players’ fault for being whining millennials?

As an aside, Sinek doesn’t even get the years of millennials right. It’s 1981-1996. How you can generalise about every human aged 23-38 does interest me. But even if you could he cites not a single study or fact, it’s just a rambling set of vague opinions backed up by nothing.


Well, we agree on your first point.

I guess we hear it differently. I think he's outlining the perfect storm scenario where a generation are brought up being entitled, not being prepared for real life, and essentially it's not their fault. Then life bites them on the bottom by throwing them into a situation they aren't prepared for.

Yes, it's opinion. It would be terrible if everyone's opinion had to be backed up by statistical analysis - besides, people would just choose stats that support their views, and/or interpret them accordingly. I'm no great fan, as stats are more of an indicator - until every single person is asked a question, there is a level of assumption, and we all know what assumption does.

But essentially, it's his opinion and I think he makes some strong points. You may not agree, and that's fine.

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Well, we agree on your first point.

I guess we hear it differently. I think he's outlining the perfect storm scenario where a generation are brought up being entitled, not being prepared for real life, and essentially it's not their fault. Then life bites them on the bottom by throwing them into a situation they aren't prepared for.

Yes, it's opinion. It would be terrible if everyone's opinion had to be backed up by statistical analysis - besides, people would just choose stats that support their views, and/or interpret them accordingly. I'm no great fan, as stats are more of an indicator - until every single person is asked a question, there is a level of assumption, and we all know what assumption does.

But essentially, it's his opinion and I think he makes some strong points. You may not agree, and that's fine.

As someone who owns his own company and has employed millennials I agree totally with Sinck.  I have out of 12 I have employed, had 1 who is a good employee and just gets on with it without needing to be constantly told he is doing a good job and without thinking he has abilities and experience far outside the reality.

I have had millennialls cry because they have had a minor disagreement at work, be off sick with stress.

I have had millennials who think that it is perfectly acceptable to be texting on their phone all day long.

I run a relaxed ship - when people have a doctor or dentist appointment and need to be at home to meet a tradesman I am fine with that.  With the millennials however they do not ever see that it may work the other way around .  My older members of staff will sometimes work late or come in early.  The 1 millennial of whom I have spoken is the only one who understands the concept of give and take. 

Every person I know who runs their own business says exactly the same thing - including my own son who is a millennial but has a good work ethic and has been brought up to understand that he is not special to anyone but his family and those who love him.

The last 2 people I have employed have been in their 50's and I feel m ore comfortable with people I feel have a lesser sense of entitlement and a far higher work ethic and are appreciative of working in a company which has a flexible approach. 

You are correct about life throwing them into situations that they cannot cope with.  My experience is that they are cossetted by parents and teachers and then go to college usually to do a worthless degree in sociology or the like.  They have not ever been taught that life is fiercely competitive and that no everyone is a gentle snowflake. 
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Well, we agree on your first point.

I guess we hear it differently. I think he's outlining the perfect storm scenario where a generation are brought up being entitled, not being prepared for real life, and essentially it's not their fault. Then life bites them on the bottom by throwing them into a situation they aren't prepared for.

Yes, it's opinion. It would be terrible if everyone's opinion had to be backed up by statistical analysis - besides, people would just choose stats that support their views, and/or interpret them accordingly. I'm no great fan, as stats are more of an indicator - until every single person is asked a question, there is a level of assumption, and we all know what assumption does.

But essentially, it's his opinion and I think he makes some strong points. You may not agree, and that's fine.

Erm it’s got nothing to do with statistics. It’s facts or evidence.

If you’re going to claim everyone born from 1981 to 1996 has the same character traits in a massive sweeping generalisation - you have to provide at least one example, or your opinion isn't of any note.

This is how facts and debate work. Opinions backed by facts or evidence, just one tangible example, carry more weight than those based on just making it up. All opinion are not equal. The video is a bunch of crap based on nothing.

If you don’t like assumptions you’re putting a lot of faith in a “thought leader” with zero real world experience. Didn’t think that kind of touchy feely wet blanket made up nonsense would be your bag. He studied social anthropology for goodness sake - he should stand for all you hate.

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Every person I know who runs their own business says exactly the same thing - including my own son who is a millennial but has a good work ethic and has been brought up to understand that he is not special to anyone but his family and those who love him.

They have not ever been taught that life is fiercely competitive and that no everyone is a gentle snowflake.

Ok so millennials are all the same apart from one then. So are they all the same or not? Your son suggests not.

And on the second sentence, your conclusion from the article by a professional rugby player who said he considered suicide because of a lack of focus on mental wellbeing among all the **** rugby training is that he’s saying people shouldn’t be such snowflakes.

Honestly I’m done with this board for good. There’s a reason rugby isn’t growing and it’s the kind of dull witted, average-achieving slack jawed Barbour wearing red faced old bigots that spout their crap on here.

Look outside the Daily Mail and your comfortable provincial dull little lives and try to realise that it isn’t the 1950s, when none of you was alive anyway.

Enjoy the rugby - I hope never to sit near anyone as idiotic and backward as any of you. Keep masturbating over Katie Hopkins. The good news is our generation will be dead in 20 years and the world can move on.
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As a member of generation x, I have no comment.

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Blucher, you sound just like a Millennial.  ;D

 

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