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Quinston Churchill

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« Reply #15 on: Friday 29-May-2020, 20:58* »
TBH I’m really disappointed Semi is leaving. As QuincyJones said, I think he was under-utilised and with Robshaw leaving, I hoped he’d get a run in the 7 shirt.

I agree that Chisholm and Dombrandt pretty much pick themselves and Lawday was a good acquisition to cover 6/8, but IMO, our issue is at 7. As much as I like Evans and Clifford, neither are exactly what I’d call ‘reliable’ from a fitness POV. Without Robshaw there, I worry we’re a bit exposed.

Following COVID-19 cuts I think we (and pretty much every other club) are going to have to lean on the academy a lot more.

Jack Kenningham has always looked good when I’ve seen him play but whether he’s ‘Premiership ready’ is another question. Archie White doesn’t float my boat at all. Without wanting to be harsh, I just don’t think he’s good enough.
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« Reply #16 on: Saturday 30-May-2020, 01:04* »
Great shame to lose him.



Physically very strong player in defense and with wonderful hands, he also won the gold medal with Fiji at the Olympics in Brazil, in France in Toulouse which is not really the last team in Europe ha giocato anche come No.14.
Player who can play in at least 3 roles.
Letting him go is pure madness.
A player who, when he entered the game, always improved the team's performance.
Without Robshaw, he was our perfect number seven.
Clifford is a very strong player, but has already had too many injuries.
Ewans and Lawday are good players, but not comparable to Semi.
I was already seeing him in next year's team: N. 6 Crisholm N. 7 Kunatani N. 8 Dombrandt.
It would have been very nice to see them playing together.
Very sad, like when Maurie Fa'asavalu left.

In my opinion, he could also play winger


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« Reply #17 on: Saturday 30-May-2020, 08:43* »
I’d have much referred losing Clifford/Bothma to Kunatani as a back rower, but losing a good 7 the same season as Robshaw is a big blow. I’m hoping we have something up our sleeve as a replacement
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« Reply #19 on: Saturday 30-May-2020, 09:07* »
Im not sure it was a case of Quins letting him go, a bit like Sinckler. When we signed him, I would guess it was not a huge deal.  Since then his stock has certainly risen.  When the rumour first broke, it was stated we might not have the cash to keep him, compared to a deal from France.  We might not have had a choice.

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« Reply #20 on: Saturday 30-May-2020, 11:47* »
Possibly.

Robshaw and Semi are confirmed leavers and I wouldn’t be surprised to see Bothma go too (although I wouldn’t be anywhere near as disappointed). I also wouldn’t be shocked to see the players we’ve sent out on dual registration cut as well (e.g. White).

That would leave us with Chisholm, Dombrandt, Lawday, Clifford and Evans. I’ve seen Lewies play in the back row when he was at the Lions and Lamb has also played a fair bit at 6 so there is some additional cover but to have only five specialist back row players is risky IMO. Even more so when at least a couple of those are very injury prone and there’s a fairly good possibility Dombrandt could break in to the England squad.

It feels like we need at least one more flanker and 7 seems the weakest given most of those we have are more 6/8 options.

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« Reply #21 on: Saturday 30-May-2020, 12:02* »
Agree with the above but I m not sure White will go. He only signed a new deal last year and PG spoke very highly of  him.  We have only announced two incomings yet, and have been linked to Wiese and Du Toit.  Id be amazed if we did not sign at least one, maybe 2 players that can play back row.

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« Reply #22 on: Saturday 30-May-2020, 12:36* »
True. That does suggest we’re after another flanker although I wouldn’t have described du Toit or Wiese as 7s.

I’m really not sure White is even close to being good enough. I can forgive a bit of rawness in a young player but whenever I’ve seen him play he looks off the pace, slow and ineffective. A shame when with Kunatani we’re losing a player who’s almost the polar opposite.

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« Reply #23 on: Saturday 30-May-2020, 12:51* »
Robshaw is talking to Club about possibly finishing 19/20 season with club now ie extending and maybe could be a bit longer. It would probably help everyone if we knew which season we are actually going to play. I know Quins want to finish this season but can’t help feeling that to try to finish and start new in the autumn is a bit daft.

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« Reply #24 on: Saturday 30-May-2020, 12:54* »
FWIW, I dont think White is quite up to it, I was basing his staying more on the way PG talked him up.  We also have James and Kenningham in the academy.  I really like Kenningham.  When ive seen him play he seems a real pest for the opposition. might be a bit early next season, DR to the champ might do him good.  I guess time will tell

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« Reply #25 on: Saturday 30-May-2020, 14:28* »
 Esterhuezin says the in the most recent interview he knows one of the current players that is leaving this season. Assuming Bothma as they were team mates at Sharks for a bit.

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« Reply #26 on: Saturday 30-May-2020, 18:33* »
Agree with the above but I m not sure White will go. He only signed a new deal last year and PG spoke very highly of  him.  We have only announced two incomings yet, and have been linked to Wiese and Du Toit.  Id be amazed if we did not sign at least one, maybe 2 players that can play back row.

Du Tout has been confirmed as staying in SA.

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« Reply #27 on: Saturday 30-May-2020, 22:30* »
Im not sure it was a case of Quins letting him go, a bit like Sinckler.
When we signed him, I would guess it was not a huge deal. 
Since then his stock has certainly risen. 
When the rumour first broke, it was stated we might not have the cash to keep him, compared to a deal from France.  We might not have had a choice.

Letting Sinkler go, I don't find it a big deal.
Probably he is one of the strongest around, but he has a head that doesn't always decide the right thing at the right time.
There were more games he made the team loose than win. Very different for Kunatani, a player who has always improved the team's performance. Is it possible that his cost has increased, but then when we have a strong player who after a year increases his cost, we let him go to keep 4/5 normal players and not very strong?
Pg, sometimes he made Evans play and kept Kunatani on the bench, which I find absurd.
So if Marcus Smith, who will most likely be England's next No. 10 when his contract expires, and will clearly go up in price, will we let him go because we can't afford him?
To get more income money you have to win in Europe, and with a normal team in Europe you don't win anything.
I repeat, letting Kunatani go, it's pure madness.
So let's not complain if we are always halfway through, and in Europe we practically always come out in the first round.
So the important thing is to get to sixth place and then not try to win anything the following year in Europe? But the other teams (for example Bristol), how do they keep the players with very high salaries?
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« Reply #28 on: Saturday 30-May-2020, 23:02* »
As disappointed as I am, I think describing it as ‘pure madness’ is a little strong.

The point HonkyTonk was trying to make is that Sinckler was essentially made an offer he couldn’t refuse and it could be the same with Semi. We don’t know that PG wanted him to go.

I don’t know why we’re not as good as ‘balancing the books’ as some other clubs appear to be, but I’d rather we were honest and kept within the rules.

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« Reply #29 on: Sunday 31-May-2020, 07:35* »
Letting Sinkler go, I don't find it a big deal.
Probably he is one of the strongest around, but he has a head that doesn't always decide the right thing at the right time.
There were more games he made the team loose than win. Very different for Kunatani, a player who has always improved the team's performance. Is it possible that his cost has increased, but then when we have a strong player who after a year increases his cost, we let him go to keep 4/5 normal players and not very strong?
Pg, sometimes he made Evans play and kept Kunatani on the bench, which I find absurd.
So if Marcus Smith, who will most likely be England's next No. 10 when his contract expires, and will clearly go up in price, will we let him go because we can't afford him?
To get more income money you have to win in Europe, and with a normal team in Europe you don't win anything.
I repeat, letting Kunatani go, it's pure madness.
So let's not complain if we are always halfway through, and in Europe we practically always come out in the first round.
So the important thing is to get to sixth place and then not try to win anything the following year in Europe? But the other teams (for example Bristol), how do they keep the players with very high salaries?


The club can have all the money in the world, there is still a salary cap to stick to. You mention Smith in a few years, it could well come down to a choice in a few years between him and one or two others (to keep within the cap).  How would you have felt if Marchant left instead of Semi, or maybe Dombrandt??

 

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