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QuincyJones

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Re: Marler and sinks in the England squad
« Reply #30 on: Friday 05-Jul-2019, 10:13* »
Prove how? Brown, Care, Robshaw arenít going to play for England again if they arenít on this squad. Get what you mean I guess but they wonít have an opportunity.

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Re: Marler and sinks in the England squad
« Reply #31 on: Friday 05-Jul-2019, 10:20* »
Well its very important to keep the mighty Tonga guessing too.

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Re: Marler and sinks in the England squad
« Reply #32 on: Friday 05-Jul-2019, 11:13* »
Well done Blucher. You were right, and we were wrong. But thatís not the important question any more. The important question is: ďIs Eddie right?Ē

Itís downright bizarre to discard 320 capsí worth of experience mid way through an RWC season when the players in question are still in good form. One of them is the only experienced player in his position. Two of them have only one experienced peer in positions that are frequently substituted.

Hartley I can understand, because his knee means heís short of fitness. Robshaw has a lot of competition (and Wilson has definitely earned a place, though I am still at a loss as to what Shields brings). Care and Eddie reportedly had a falling out - but he hasnít given any of the possible alternatives enough game time to settle in at International level. And while I can see the case for Daly at fullback in an expansive game, against any opponent that sticks to its game plan and has a good kick chase, England now have no international fullback whose been proven in those situations, and one who has been found wanting several times.

Iíve been pretty good at guessing what Eddie is trying to do over the past four years, but this time I donít get it.

Itís utterly bizarre. Bizzle (we really canít) had a great season and did all the things he was said not to do (pass, run lines etc).

He should be there. But Jones made his choice - and I understand why people tried to hope that it wasnít final, but heís not one to change his mind.

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Re: Marler and sinks in the England squad
« Reply #33 on: Friday 05-Jul-2019, 11:31* »
When the final, final,final World Cup squad which is the one thatís going to Japan is announced we will all know the actual players that Eddie has picked. There are so many in and out that itís hard to know exactly what EJ is doing. Almost anybody could be called up at the moment.
I think it is pretty clear that baring injury the WC squad will be picked from this squad including the names injured players

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Re: Marler and sinks in the England squad
« Reply #34 on: Friday 05-Jul-2019, 12:23* »
Prove how? Brown, Care, Robshaw arenít going to play for England again if they arenít on this squad. Get what you mean I guess but they wonít have an opportunity.

Seems you've answered your own question  :)

I can imagine these players exceeding their own high standards in the coming season, just to show what England will be missing.

Maybe we'll have another long run of wins like we did in 2011. Ironically, back then people were saying it was because we didn't have players at the Workd Cup; the fact that our players weren't considered good enough for the World Cup was irrelevant.

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Re: Marler and sinks in the England squad
« Reply #35 on: Friday 05-Jul-2019, 15:16* »
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Re: Marler and sinks in the England squad
« Reply #37 on: Friday 05-Jul-2019, 18:35* »
I think it is pretty clear that baring injury the WC squad will be picked from this squad including the names injured players

Itís specifically set up so the final group is drawn from this list according to every thing Iíve read

Quins Head

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Re: Marler and sinks in the England squad
« Reply #38 on: Friday 05-Jul-2019, 21:57* »
Exactly

JammyGit

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Re: Marler and sinks in the England squad
« Reply #39 on: Saturday 06-Jul-2019, 10:17* »
Itís downright bizarre to discard 320 capsí worth of experience mid way through an RWC season when the players in question are still in good form.

That's not what's happened though. This isn't sudden.

Care - dropped after his Japan performance in Nov 2018
Robshaw - dropped in SA, recalled due to injury, got injured himself, hasn't played for England since then (June 2018)
Brown - dropped after the SA tour, hasn't played for England since then (June 2018)

a year later and people are surprised!

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Re: Marler and sinks in the England squad
« Reply #40 on: Saturday 06-Jul-2019, 14:28* »
On a positive note, what a great opportunity for what will now be a very highly motivated set of Quins senior players to be the backbone of a relatively new Quins team and kick off the season with a series of early wins.   

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Re: Marler and sinks in the England squad
« Reply #41 on: Saturday 06-Jul-2019, 14:34* »
In each case, though, JG, they were in positions where England didn't have experienced backup. It would have been very sensible of Eddie to leave out three experienced guys who have shown they can jump straight back into the side in order to develop cover or alternatives, intending to bring them back in for the RWC squad.

QuincyJones

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Re: Marler and sinks in the England squad
« Reply #42 on: Saturday 06-Jul-2019, 15:06* »
That's not what's happened though. This isn't sudden.

Care - dropped after his Japan performance in Nov 2018
Robshaw - dropped in SA, recalled due to injury, got injured himself, hasn't played for England since then (June 2018)
Brown - dropped after the SA tour, hasn't played for England since then (June 2018)

a year later and people are surprised!

But Robshaw was recalled to a training squad after coming back from injury if I remember correctly?

JammyGit

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Re: Marler and sinks in the England squad
« Reply #43 on: Sunday 07-Jul-2019, 23:09* »
Loads of people come into training squads.

poorfour: It might have been sensible but it's entirely not how Eddie has ever done things. And it's clear it's not what he's done here, either.

Quinky

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Re: Marler and sinks in the England squad
« Reply #44 on: Monday 08-Jul-2019, 12:40* »
But Robshaw was recalled to a training squad after coming back from injury if I remember correctly?

I thought Robshaw dropped out to have surgery on a long-term issue, rather than incurring an injury at the time? I may be wrong though.

 

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