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harlequins

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Re: Minty's gone
« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 25-Jul-2018, 02:26* »
No surprise he has gone. We had a terrible defence. I think Nick Evans will be staying from the JK era but he will be the only one.

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« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 25-Jul-2018, 08:19* »
So isn't that's the last of the departures predicted by Arniepie several weeks ago?

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« Reply #32 on: Wednesday 25-Jul-2018, 08:28* »
An absolute legend as a player and thatís how I prefer to remember him. Less said about the defence last year the better, the defence never really looked sound. I just hope he gets some good experience in the championship/lower leagues and becomes a quality coach.

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« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 25-Jul-2018, 08:44* »
Wasn't he the oldest player to score a try in a Six Nations game? Against Scotland. Am I dreaming it?

Fantastic player. Wish him well. Glad someone else will be coaching defence next season.

I think he's certainly the oldest player to score a hat-trick at the RWC - and I genuinely believe that the 2015 RWC could have turned out differently if Lancaster had trusted a fit and in form Minty instead of hoping that Vunipola and Morgan could play to their potential when struggling back from injury.

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« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 25-Jul-2018, 09:05* »
Where does this leave the other Nick, I wonder?

Do we think our backs played any better in attack?

Given that NEv has appeared in some of the articles the club has posted in the last few weeks with a new title of Skills & Off The Ball coach, I'd say he's not going anywhere for the moment.

Yeah and Minty showed up on video SA sounding like he was still working for Quins three weeks ago..itís the world of fake news...maybe Quins doesnít even exist anymore
« Last Edit: Wednesday 25-Jul-2018, 10:14* by Blucherquin »

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Re: Minty's gone
« Reply #35 on: Wednesday 25-Jul-2018, 09:16* »
While there were certainly times when the defence was like tissue paper, I'm not sure you can fully blame the defence coach. The scrum coach(es), the attack coach and the skills coach could all be accused of much the same problems. Individually, such as the coaching of Marcus Smith or Sinckler they were fine.

When I heard Minty talking about defence, he obviously had a good handle on the subject. The  team just weren't playing for each other last season. They wouldn't trust the system, so people who were supposed to drift wide were diving in to try tackles someone else should have done and so leaving the big gap at the end of the line for some victorious opposition player to trot over the line. 

There was something seriously wrong with the team psyche last season, and the poor defence wasn't (all) down to the defence coach.

poorfour

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« Reply #36 on: Wednesday 25-Jul-2018, 09:28* »
Well said, DOK.

One of the huge frustrations of last year was that when the team actually played, both the attack and the defence worked well - but too often players were caught out of position or didn't seem to trust each other. From what I can see, Minty had a clear view on a system that had good potential to work - but the players either didn't buy in or lacked the fitness to do it.

Is he completely to blame for our defensive lapses? Probably not. Is he carrying the can for wider system failings? We may never know, but I suspect not. The timing of his departure suggests to me that Gustard was willing to give him a chance but that they didn't gel for whatever reason.

In the long run, I suspect he will emerge as a very effective coach, but that he will benefit from a bit of distance and a chance to refine his skills in a less high profile environment.

On the plus side, we will probably get to see more of him as a pundit as a result...


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Re: Minty's gone
« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 25-Jul-2018, 09:29* »
Where does this leave the other Nick, I wonder?

Do we think our backs played any better in attack?

Given that NEv has appeared in some of the articles the club has posted in the last few weeks with a new title of Skills & Off The Ball coach, I'd say he's not going anywhere for the moment.

Yeah and Minty showed up on video SA sounding like he was still working for Quins three weeks ago..it’s the world of fake news...maybe Quins didn’t even exist anymore

I'd say that as NEv has a new title, that sounds like he's still in place.

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Re: Minty's gone
« Reply #38 on: Wednesday 25-Jul-2018, 09:31* »
They have to keep Nev for the NZ connection. Nothing to do with his coaching skills.

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Re: Minty's gone
« Reply #39 on: Wednesday 25-Jul-2018, 09:31* »
I agree. I think Minty tried too hard to be innovative and the payers either couldn't understand it or wouldn't buy into it. However, its a results driven business and he had to go really.

I bet he will pop up somewhere else as an excellent coach based on what he has learnt so far.

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Re: Minty's gone
« Reply #40 on: Wednesday 25-Jul-2018, 10:11* »
Hi Deadly - can you expand on your innovation comment with some examples please.

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« Reply #41 on: Wednesday 25-Jul-2018, 10:22* »
Agree with your point DOK, just that as a coach you have a responsibility to make a system work, if the players aren't bought in and you cant get the system you want to work then you address the player issue or the system. That was probably where JK fell down on the player and managing NE but I think Nick as defence coach owns it. With the comments some from the team have made about fitness sure there may be other factors that contributed but then as defence coach if your system wasn't working and the fitness of the players was the cause would you do nothing, ensure fitness was addressed or adapt your system to fit, none of that seemed to happen, as he only had control of his system if it was me I'd try to adapt it to what was in front of me. We seemed to repeat the same stupid mistakes all season and if the cause was players didn't trust their coach without giving their all then shame on them.

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Re: Minty's gone
« Reply #42 on: Wednesday 25-Jul-2018, 10:33* »
An excellent player for Quins and for England. His being overlooked for England was definitely our gain, and he took over the 8 shirt from Diprose with consummate ease.

Coaching - I don't pretend to know what goes on in there, but the evidence was on the pitch that things were not as they should be. And it's the coach who carries the can, in the end.

I'll remember the player longer than the coach, though.

TheBlindside

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Re: Minty's gone
« Reply #43 on: Wednesday 25-Jul-2018, 10:43* »
Was a club great as a player, unfortunately the age old curse a great player doesn't make a great coach struck.
Maybe if he goes away learns his trade he could come back, with his  own thoughts i think the problem
 he faced was he was so ingrained in the status quo he wasn't bringing any new ideas on what to change.

Its a shame in some ways as I'm sure he would learn a lot from someone like Gustard
« Last Edit: Wednesday 25-Jul-2018, 10:45* by TheBlindside »

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Re: Minty's gone
« Reply #44 on: Wednesday 25-Jul-2018, 11:05* »
Far too early to know if he will be a good coach. Promoted too quickly in my opinion and trying to coach his peers. Very sad it has not worked out, just hope he has found a job that will suit him. I sincerely hope NEV is staying.

 

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