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Re: O/T Full time contracts for England women
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 18-Sep-2018, 17:24* »
Good news. It was not nice when they cancelled the contracts last time. Hopefully this will enable us (England) to compete with other nations properly now.

Genuine question, because I don't know, but how many of the other nations have full time contracts for their senior women's XVs squad? I was under the impression that at least relatively recently we were one of the only unions who gave professionial contracts to the women's XVs squad. That was until they cut them and only offered them to the 7s squad. I'm sure at the time that some of the pundits and players were saying that they hoped other nations would follow, because having a professional England womens team was all very well and good, but if no other teams were professional, then you'd end up with completely one sided matches.

Since then other unions may well have started giving professional contracts but I'd be interested to know. I know the Aussie mens and womens 7s team have the same minimum level of pay, but that's not really the same thing.

I ask not because I agree or disagree with the new professional contracts - I'm not actually fussed enough to have an opinion either way, though I've never been convinced by the "if you build it, they will come" argument, but I'm happy to be shown how that does work - but I has never considered that our womens team are unable to compete on a level playing field with the other unions.

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Re: O/T Full time contracts for England women
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 18-Sep-2018, 18:59* »
New Zealand are apparently offering pro contracts to the Black Ferns players.

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Re: O/T Full time contracts for England women
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 18-Sep-2018, 19:37* »
Wow! My comments above were not aimed at anybody. I just seem to have the ability to zone in on a holistic approach to the overall future development of our wonderful sport without being overly protective of the status quo. Tis all.

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Re: O/T Full time contracts for England women
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 18-Sep-2018, 19:43* »
So the women's team is considered important, but England having access to the best coaches in the year leading up to the world cup, and grassroots rugby, is not? Got it.

This is a PR exercise because of the flack they took when they got rid of the entirely unnecessary contracts in the first place. you can easily invest in the women's game without giving them full-time contracts, it's an absolute nonsense.

It's nothing to do with "what the sport stands for" at all. They realised they were up the creek financially, so they cut back on the women's contracts, which were a ridiculous PR stunt in the first place. They felt the backlash and acquiesced - thereby doubling down on their original stupidity - and some poor sod has to pay with his job.

Sorry Rodney but really don’t agree.

Giving women’s players some kind of recognition is not a ridiculous PR stunt, couldn’t disagree more.

The “PR flack” vanished ages ago - so there’s no need at all to do it now - the world had happily moved on from the row, it makes no communications sense to do it now if if it’s about image. Particularly not in the light of the exact reporting you highlight about finances.

England not paying coaches - where does that line come from? What cuts to the senior team do you mean? Every report I’ve read says there have been none.

I entirely agree they shouldn’t be slashing the grass roots as much - but the unaccountable board full of old men won’t accept any cuts to their luxury entitlements to allow cuts anywhere else - which is where the real questions should be being directed.

Also - do you need a successful first team to grow the grassroots or does a successful grassroots create a successful first team?

There isn’t much more expansion opportunity to get men to watch rugby, numbers have been pretty static for years - but there’s a huge untapped market in encouraging women to watch sport.

The tickets to the women’s World Cup were sold in large numbers to women and young women in particular - people who don’t normally spend cash on going to live sport. If you market to them, you’ll make more money.

If you keep selling a product to the same market you’re never going to get large expansion - all sports are desperate to get women on board, because that’s where there’s new money to be made.

So I happen to think that

A) it sends a great message to young women and girls like my daughter that professional rugby is not just a man’s sport - and yes, I do think that’s important even though I’m in my 40s and hate the Guardian

B) it looks like a good commercial decision based on trying to expand the chance to make money
« Last Edit: Tuesday 18-Sep-2018, 20:04* by Blucherquin »
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Re: O/T Full time contracts for England women
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 18-Sep-2018, 20:23* »
So the women's team is considered important, but England having access to the best coaches in the year leading up to the world cup, and grassroots rugby, is not? Got it.

This is a PR exercise because of the flack they took when they got rid of the entirely unnecessary contracts in the first place. you can easily invest in the women's game without giving them full-time contracts, it's an absolute nonsense.

It's nothing to do with "what the sport stands for" at all. They realised they were up the creek financially, so they cut back on the women's contracts, which were a ridiculous PR stunt in the first place. They felt the backlash and acquiesced - thereby doubling down on their original stupidity - and some poor sod has to pay with his job.

Sorry Rodney but really don’t agree.

Giving women’s players some kind of recognition is not a ridiculous PR stunt, couldn’t disagree more.

The “PR flack” vanished ages ago - so there’s no need at all to do it now - the world had happily moved on from the row, it makes no communications sense to do it now if if it’s about image. Particularly not in the light of the exact reporting you highlight about finances.

England not paying coaches - where does that line come from? What cuts to the senior team do you mean? Every report I’ve read says there have been none.

I entirely agree they shouldn’t be slashing the grass roots as much - but the unaccountable board full of old men won’t accept any cuts to their luxury entitlements to allow cuts anywhere else - which is where the real questions should be being directed.

Also - do you need a successful first team to grow the grassroots or does a successful grassroots create a successful first team?

There isn’t much more expansion opportunity to get men to watch rugby, numbers have been pretty static for years - but there’s a huge untapped market in encouraging women to watch sport.

The tickets to the women’s World Cup were sold in large numbers to women and young women in particular - people who don’t normally spend cash on going to live sport. If you market to them, you’ll make more money.

If you keep selling a product to the same market you’re never going to get large expansion - all sports are desperate to get women on board, because that’s where there’s new money to be made.

So I happen to think that

A) it sends a great message to young women and girls like my daughter that professional rugby is not just a man’s sport - and yes, I do think that’s important even though I’m in my 40s and hate the Guardian

B) it looks like a good commercial decision based on trying to expand the chance to make money

+1, right with you Blucherquin

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Re: O/T Full time contracts for England women
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 19-Sep-2018, 09:29* »
@Blucherquin - I think it is meant as a joke as the link is to the Guardian (which you declared hatred for)
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Re: O/T Full time contracts for England women
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 19-Sep-2018, 09:51* »
@Blucherquin - I think it is meant as a joke as the link is to the Guardian (which you declared hatred for)

Oh -- got it. Yeah I don't really "hate" it (actually some of the stuff in it is ridiculous) but I'm not a snowflake. So maybe I don't know what I think -- maybe I am a snowflake. Eeek.
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