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DOK

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OT: Two Premier League players simultaneously set to come out as gay
« on: Monday 08-Jul-2019, 13:51* »
yes, I know it's football but...

How many openly gay rugby players are playing in the premiership?
I'd say rugby isn't as inclusive as it likes to think.
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Re: OT: Two Premier League players simultaneously set to come out as gay
« Reply #1 on: Monday 08-Jul-2019, 14:55* »
Yes but does their sexuality matter?? I couldn't care less either way.......Let their family/fiends/team-mates know perhaps, but do the paying public have a right to know???
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Re: OT: Two Premier League players simultaneously set to come out as gay
« Reply #2 on: Monday 08-Jul-2019, 16:49* »
Quote from: Harleys Evil Step Mum on Monday 08-Jul-2019, 14:55*
Yes but does their sexuality matter?? I couldn't care less either way.......Let their family/fiends/team-mates know perhaps, but do the paying public have a right to know???

It's not a question of "having a right to know". There are usually at least two bigger factors involved.

Firstly, and more importantly, it's about representation and being a role model. There's still a lot of homophobia in football - and a degree of it in rugby, as the Folau furore (and Billy's disappointing response to it) shows. If two established players can come out as gay, and be accepted by team mates, fans and the wider community, it makes it easier for those who follow them in the sport, and it helps vulnerable teenagers struggling with their sexuality to accept themselves and recognise that there is nothing wrong with being gay.

Secondly, there is probably a tabloid story somewhere behind this. It's generally better to come out on your own terms than to be outed by a newspaper on their terms.
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Re: OT: Two Premier League players simultaneously set to come out as gay
« Reply #3 on: Monday 08-Jul-2019, 16:52* »
I know what you mean, HESM, I'm not advocating every gay player shouting it from the rooftops and bringing it into every interview etc..., but similarly it shouldn't (still) be something to hide from your team mates, a secret that makes you unhappy or something that becomes a mental health issue (as in Nigel Owens). It should be as unremarkable as being vegan or saying you're a member of a particular religion. I just get the impression there's still a stigma about it, and there shouldn't be. We, the crowd, have said it makes no difference to us that Nigel Owens is gay, indeed I admire the man for coming out with it (both senses). This isn't the 70s, we've moved beyond Monty Python's 4 Bruces sketch. It really ought not to be any sort of big deal, but the silence kind of indicates it might be.

As for those poor bloody footballers, well you got to admire their balls! (as it were!).
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Re: OT: Two Premier League players simultaneously set to come out as gay
« Reply #4 on: Monday 08-Jul-2019, 17:50* »
Perhaps later.
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Re: OT: Two Premier League players simultaneously set to come out as gay
« Reply #5 on: Monday 08-Jul-2019, 18:29* »
Personally couldn't give 2 hoots what they are but, if it helps themselves and/or others then well done to them!
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Re: OT: Two Premier League players simultaneously set to come out as gay
« Reply #6 on: Monday 08-Jul-2019, 18:56* »
No paper would “out” someone anymore as it goes.

But the answer on how many openly gay rugby players is zero.

As I mentioned in the thread about Folau, rugby says a lot of things about equality and rainbow laces and inclusivity but it’s got a very long way to go.

And as above their sexually matters not a jot - except perhaps to other gay people who may feel more like playing or watching rugby if they know it’s for them.
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Re: OT: Two Premier League players simultaneously set to come out as gay
« Reply #7 on: Monday 08-Jul-2019, 19:24* »
Just had another look at the article and noticed it's from 3 years ago!
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Re: OT: Two Premier League players simultaneously set to come out as gay
« Reply #8 on: Monday 08-Jul-2019, 19:41* »
Quote from: Saintquin on Monday 08-Jul-2019, 19:24*
Just had another look at the article and noticed it's from 3 years ago!

Yep you’re right. So that never happened then.

Still not a single gay guy playing in any top flight rugby, football or cricket team - those gay dudes should really try harder to make it...
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Re: OT: Two Premier League players simultaneously set to come out as gay
« Reply #9 on: Monday 08-Jul-2019, 19:45* »
Wouldn’t it be good if we could just forget about gay, straight or whatever and just focus on people’s talent as a sports person
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Re: OT: Two Premier League players simultaneously set to come out as gay
« Reply #10 on: Monday 08-Jul-2019, 21:26* »
Actually Blucherquin Steve Davies, the Somerset wicketkeeper, came out about four years ago.
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Re: OT: Two Premier League players simultaneously set to come out as gay
« Reply #11 on: Monday 08-Jul-2019, 21:45* »
Quote from: Saintquin on Monday 08-Jul-2019, 19:24*
Just had another look at the article and noticed it's from 3 years ago!

Oh, apologies. It appeared in the NewsNow feed for some reason. Didn't think to check the date. But yes, to a certain extent that almost makes it worse. Despite all the attention we pay to LGBT rights, it seems a pity someone can't just say "Oh, yes, I'm gay" in the same way the might say "Oh, yes I'm left handed" or whatever. I just find it a tad disappointing that in our game admission is feared to be a career limiting move.
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Re: OT: Two Premier League players simultaneously set to come out as gay
« Reply #12 on: Monday 08-Jul-2019, 22:04* »
It’s not a problem at all in the women’s game.
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Re: OT: Two Premier League players simultaneously set to come out as gay
« Reply #13 on: Monday 08-Jul-2019, 22:45* »
Quote from: SiB on Monday 08-Jul-2019, 19:45*
Wouldn’t it be good if we could just forget about gay, straight or whatever and just focus on people’s talent as a sports person

Best post on the thread
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Re: OT: Two Premier League players simultaneously set to come out as gay
« Reply #14 on: Monday 08-Jul-2019, 23:32* »
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Wouldn’t it be good if we could just forget about gay, straight or whatever and just focus on people’s talent as a sports person.

Best post on the thread.

Apart from Mayor West's. :)
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