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SwindonQuin

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Promotion and relegation - My plan
« on: Sunday 01-Sep-2019, 12:21* »
So my thoughts on Promotion and relegation – Change it completely!

12th placed Premiership team plays the 1st placed Championship team – neutral venue to maximise ticket revenue.  This would a be play-off final for the Championship team so may well draw a bigger than normal crowd. Match televised as part of the BT Sport premiership rugby broadcast deal. Winner takes all i.e. promotion or relegation
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11th placed premiership team plays 2nd place in the championship also at a neutral venue. This would a be play-off final for the Championship team so may well draw a bigger than normal crowd. Match televised as part of the BT Sport premiership rugby broadcast deal.

Although you would expect the 11th placed premiership team to win it does give the opportunity for the Championship team to get promoted and so increases the opportunity in the Championship league, which would lead to high investment as there is more chance of reaching the promise land.  As we all know the team going down is highly likely to come straight back up in the next season due to squad strength, yes there are exceptions, but 90% of the time this is the case. This gives the other clubs a chance and hope without having to throw massive sums gambling on promotion and so should improve the long term viability of the clubs in the championship.

Some will say what if the 1st or 2nd place Championship team does win and achieve promotion but doesn’t have a stadium that meet Premiership Standards, easy, relax the standard its not enforced on the existing Premiership clubs anyway! If the playing surface is safe and they can erect temporary safe structures for the TV coverage then why not let them in with smaller grounds, who does it hurt but the clubs themselves through less ticket revenue.

You could even make the Premiership final a double/triple header for one or both of the promotion matches.

Granted im not in any position to change Premiership Rugby policy but would be interested to know what other think and if its a really stupid idea or not and why?

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« Reply #1 on: Sunday 01-Sep-2019, 12:35* »
The premiership teams will never let that happen. It increases even more the worry for financial planners and puts more teams on the relegation precipice.

I like the ideas, but the current Premiership teams including Newcastle are trying to stop the issue of relegation interfering with long term plans and financial investments.

The only change I can see happening is the ending of relegation.

SwindonQuin

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« Reply #2 on: Sunday 01-Sep-2019, 12:40* »
I fully agree it wont happen, but i think it would help make the Championship more stable and help to produce an effective 2nd tier league that could slowly grow and contribute to the future of domestic rugby,

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Re: Promotion and relegation - My plan
« Reply #3 on: Monday 02-Sep-2019, 09:40* »
How about a season end game where the 12th place team in the Prem plays the 13th Prem shareholder who is in the Championship to see who gets the last Prem spot?

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Re: Promotion and relegation - My plan
« Reply #4 on: Monday 02-Sep-2019, 09:58* »
I think that one problem that Championship teams have is that they can't recruit if they don't know if they are going to be promoted or not. I think that there possibly needs to be a "big game" type event after 1/2 of the Championship season where the team that is 1st at the half way point plays the promotion game. If they win promotion, then they can spend the rest of the season bolstering their squad.

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Re: Promotion and relegation - My plan
« Reply #5 on: Monday 02-Sep-2019, 10:13* »
Is it not possible to run the Championship a month or so earlier? Surely that would address the recruitment issue? Might also pick up more viewership if it started earlier than the Prem - I know I'd watch it, given how desperate I am for some club rugby right about now.

I do think temporary ringfencing is inevitable though - and probably necessary.

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« Reply #6 on: Monday 02-Sep-2019, 13:12* »
Is it not possible to run the Championship a month or so earlier? Surely that would address the recruitment issue? Might also pick up more viewership if it started earlier than the Prem - I know I'd watch it, given how desperate I am for some club rugby right about now.

I do think temporary ringfencing is inevitable though - and probably necessary.

That sounds very sensible.

I can fully see the argument for ring-fencing, and am not unsupportive of it, but a reasonable compromise would be an end-of season relegation play-off just involving the bottom Premiership and top Championship sides, at a neutral location, winner-takes-all.

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Re: Promotion and relegation - My plan
« Reply #7 on: Monday 02-Sep-2019, 14:23* »
A lot of the new contract dealings start being discussed at the turn of the year (in a case where it's a new contract with their current club, even earlier) So having the Championship finish a month earlier doesn't really give the promoted club more of a fair shake at recruitment if there's a play off between them and the relegation candidate.
At least having scrapped the play-offs in the Championship gives a team a few more weeks to try to get some players who may be free, but that's a much more limited pool as the rest of the Prem teams will have already had a chance to entice the better players already.
The only way I can see a fair system for recruitment would be a fixed transfer window that starts after the end of the season, so both the relegated and promoted clubs & players know exactly where they stand, and the other Prem clubs don't have a head start on recruiting.

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Re: Promotion and relegation - My plan
« Reply #8 on: Monday 02-Sep-2019, 17:20* »
I think that one problem that Championship teams have is that they can't recruit if they don't know if they are going to be promoted or not. I think that there possibly needs to be a "big game" type event after 1/2 of the Championship season where the team that is 1st at the half way point plays the promotion game. If they win promotion, then they can spend the rest of the season bolstering their squad.



This may sound flippant but what would be the point of the rest of the season? It still gives the issues of dead rubbers at the bottom of the Prem and now also at the top of the Championship - and now from January.

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Re: Promotion and relegation - My plan
« Reply #9 on: Monday 02-Sep-2019, 17:54* »
Agreed, the season would appear to be full of dead rubbers. But then again, this would be better than a full season of dead rubbers under ringfencing.
But, there would still be the silverware to play for and I think that a lot of teams would be interested in still competing for that.
I also think that the top 4 championship teams should play in the premiership cup competition. They could field strong teams against development premiership teams and would take the place of the Welsh teams that no longer are involved

 

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