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Surbiton Quin

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Re: Rugby is dead - red card
« Reply #45 on: Monday 20-Mar-2023, 17:07* »
What I was asking for was examples of the lots of sports where your scenario played out. Going for a catch in rugby seems to be one. But you came up with no other real examples- names and places. Most red cards are for deliberate acts or attempted acts e.g. as you pointed out jumping for a ball.

I understand that you think that the red card was correct but your justification based on the "lots of sports" argument was what I was questioning as it seems somewhat stretched

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« Reply #46 on: Tuesday 21-Mar-2023, 08:30* »
You seem to have dramatically misunderstood what I said, then. At no point am I talking about pure happenstance - none of this is accidental in those terms. It's people attempting something and messing up badly.

Almost every contact sport has the equivalent of attempting something legal but messing it up so badly it ends up illegal, dangerous, and resulting in a red card or equivalent. It's a lot more common than deliberate foul play - and me not listing them exhaustively is because it's self evident!
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Re: Rugby is dead - red card
« Reply #47 on: Tuesday 21-Mar-2023, 08:37* »
You seem to have dramatically misunderstood what I said, then. At no point am I talking about pure happenstance - none of this is accidental in those terms. It's people attempting something and messing up badly.

Almost every contact sport has the equivalent of attempting something legal but messing it up so badly it ends up illegal, dangerous, and resulting in a red card or equivalent. It's a lot more common than deliberate foul play - and me not listing them exhaustively is because it's self evident!

Here you go Jammy - Football - Wales v Iran - Goal keeper Wayne Hennessey tries to kick the ball, but kicks the Iranian player by accident = red card

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Re: Rugby is dead - red card
« Reply #48 on: Tuesday 21-Mar-2023, 08:57* »
Yeah, keepers are prone to it! Go to punch the ball and get an opponent instead and it's often a red...

Some very famous examples of making a huge mess of it and getting away with it, too!

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Re: Rugby is dead - red card
« Reply #49 on: Tuesday 21-Mar-2023, 09:09* »
I worry (But would like to think not, as its not football) that players might look to exploit refs being panicky with anything to do with the head. If you know anything connected to a head collision would probably end in a red, is it a gamble worth taking to get you an advantage in a crucial game?

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« Reply #50 on: Tuesday 21-Mar-2023, 09:19* »
I worry (But would like to think not, as its not football) that players might look to exploit refs being panicky with anything to do with the head. If you know anything connected to a head collision would probably end in a red, is it a gamble worth taking to get you an advantage in a crucial game?

Is a brain injury worth getting an advantage in a game? I'd guess for most players, no.

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« Reply #51 on: Tuesday 21-Mar-2023, 09:26* »
Is a brain injury worth getting an advantage in a game? I'd guess for most players, no.

You'd like to think so, but I hope it dosen't see players trying to make a meal out of things like you'd see in football or taking a risk they shouldn't if they know it would help the cause out.

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« Reply #52 on: Tuesday 21-Mar-2023, 10:36* »
You'd like to think so, but I hope it dosen't see players trying to make a meal out of things like you'd see in football or taking a risk they shouldn't if they know it would help the cause out.

Simulation is a slightly different matter and unfortunately already creeping into the game. Even at the lowly level I play at, we see players diving and clutching their heads. 🙄

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Re: Rugby is dead - red card
« Reply #53 on: Tuesday 21-Mar-2023, 13:43* »
Sexton was trying to get one of ours carded...was it Willis?

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Re: Rugby is dead - red card
« Reply #54 on: Tuesday 21-Mar-2023, 13:44* »
Sexton was trying to get one of ours carded...was it Willis?

I think it was Marchant, where he was livid he got a little push. The Irish do like to make a meal about everything

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Re: Rugby is dead - red card
« Reply #55 on: Tuesday 21-Mar-2023, 13:47* »
Sexton was trying to get one of ours carded...was it Willis?


It might have been Curry when he attempted a charge down, or maybe Dombrandt when he looked like he might tackle Sexton, or Marchant when he looked at him in a funny way, or you could be right about it being Willis when Sexton took offence at the way his socks were unevenly pulled down.
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Re: Rugby is dead - red card
« Reply #56 on: Tuesday 21-Mar-2023, 14:04* »
All a bit wendyball tbh

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Re: Rugby is dead - red card
« Reply #57 on: Tuesday 21-Mar-2023, 15:30* »
It was Marchant. Disappointing, but I think the ref dealt with it well.

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Re: Rugby is dead - red card
« Reply #58 on: Tuesday 21-Mar-2023, 17:24* »
thought it looked like FS was running in to try to kick the ball but pulled out and tried to turn when he knew he couldnt get there hence turning sideways and hence he was moving forward until just prior to the collision. It was a yellow not a red, both entitled to go for the ball, no attempt at a tackle and an attempt to turn out the way with an unlucky head injury the result.

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Re: Rugby is dead - red card
« Reply #59 on: Tuesday 21-Mar-2023, 17:51* »
thought it looked like FS was running in to try to kick the ball but pulled out and tried to turn when he knew he couldnt get there hence turning sideways and hence he was moving forward until just prior to the collision. It was a yellow not a red, both entitled to go for the ball, no attempt at a tackle and an attempt to turn out the way with an unlucky head injury the result.

Steward didn't try to get out of the way, he turned to brace himself for the contact and got Keenan's head with his elbow. Now, AFAIK, the starting point is a red for direct head contact so what's the mitigation that reduces it to a yellow?

 

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