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Author Topic: Sale thrashing and now itís official. We are simply rubbish  (Read 2955 times)

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Just gigtomhhotel after s goidday out ruined by 80 mins ofrubby
Honestly canít think of when we have played worse

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Brown Bottle

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Just gigtomhhotel after s goidday out ruined by 80 mins ofrubby
Honestly canít think of when we have played worse

Not having seen the game but being fairly drunk, the first sentence for me sums it up. Obviously can't comment on the second sentence. :)

Dibden

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I trust someone from above will be having a word with Gustard and Millard that their performance is not good enough.Is Gussievout of his depth? We

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The big issue was up front and not winning the gain line. I thought Lawday looked good, but have to disagree about Semi, I think he adds some magic but also gets us in trouble with his offloads. Think in 15ís he is a work in progress.

Lewies was very quiet this week as was EE. Symons worked hard but couldnít make much headway.

Not sure why everyone is so critical of Santi and Martin. Joined us late in preseason, have been very much bench players to Care and Marler and not had huge game time. Can not expect unless they play regularly, particularly at 9, to be top rate. In fact not sure exactly what Santi has done wrong!

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It seems to me that our current problems are two-fold. One, the number of injuries, which means that currently half the team and most of the bench is at best second or more often than not, third or fourth choice players in their positions. We just won't win much with that profile, especially when we combine that with point two, the lack of power in our game. We are just too lightweight and not big and powerful enough upfront, not beating up the opposition (in fact, we're regularly getting beaten up). That's significantly down to poor recruitment, especially in the locks department. Compare and contrast with Sale. We just haven't recruited/retained very well, including in the backs (e.g. retaining Chisholm who is a poor third-choice; Goneva who's a poor fourth choice; Ismaiel, who to me looks like a last choice ...). A little bit is obviously about attitude, inevitably, especially when heads go down towards the end as they did last night, but I don't think it's actually the coaching or the game plan that's the problem.     
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A222Quin

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The Goneva at Falcons of the last couple of years would have been a worthy inclusion in the team/matchday 23 - better than 4th choice. Not sure about this version!

Our recruitment has perplexed me. Sale managed to bring in Lood de Jager - we never seem to be in the market for that sort of player. We are certainly not getting value out of the cap. Our injury issues are stuff of legend. We break centres and hookers like it's going out of fashion on an almost season by season basis.

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The Goneva at Falcons of the last couple of years would have been a worthy inclusion in the team/matchday 23 - better than 4th choice. Not sure about this version!

Our recruitment has perplexed me. Sale managed to bring in Lood de Jager - we never seem to be in the market for that sort of player. We are certainly not getting value out of the cap. Our injury issues are stuff of legend. We break centres and hookers like it's going out of fashion on an almost season by season basis.

I think alot of our cap "issues" are down to value for money, basically I do not think we get value for money from some of the squad considering how much they are (Im guessing) on.  In turn, that hampers the rest of the recruitment.  Sale have been able to spend big, basically because they were no where near the cap, likewise Bristol it seems next season.  We are up to the cap.  I know some will not agree but.....are we getting the value for money from guys like Care, Brown, Robshaw??  Not saying they are bad players of course, but I am guessing (only a guess) that they are on big deals and they are not the players they once were.  Injuries you cannot help, ill never dig a player out for that (Sailli for example) but is Care still worth the price we pay for him, would that money be better spent elsewhere etc
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Quintron

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Care, Robshaw & Brown are on £320k each apparently.

Tonbridge Quin

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Slightly off subject but does being a London club hinder us? Cost of living etc in London and the SE is generally a fair bit more than the rest of the country therefore do we get less value for our salary cap? This is always the problem when you have a national wage which the cap effectively is.
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A222Quin

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Slightly off subject but does being a London club hinder us? Cost of living etc in London and the SE is generally a fair bit more than the rest of the country therefore do we get less value for our salary cap? This is always the problem when you have a national wage which the cap effectively is.

I'd say it would probably be an issue down at the lower end of the wage spectrum - e.g a £60k salary in the South East vs. a £60k salary in Sale/Newcastle is a different lifestyle I'd imagine.

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Care, Robshaw & Brown are on £320k each apparently.

This will be the key as how many decent Southern Hemisphere or up & coming English players could they spend that £960k on once these contracts are up. Gussy Iím guessing only says what players he wants & doesnít want. The other chap does all the money side of things.
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MadMax

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Whatís wrong with the current coaching setup? To me it seems the best weíve had in years. Motive?

Former player upset at being released.

However one of our main problems is the total lack of discipline which has seen us regularly conceding a ridiculous number of penalties in games for several seasons now and there are absolutely no signs of the current coaching setup being able to rectify this.   
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Quaking Quin

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Bit of perspective needed...... Quins are only one point off a play-off position.

The team have never travelled well - so going north of the Watford Gap was bound to lead to a bad case of collective homesickness.

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Slightly off subject but does being a London club hinder us? Cost of living etc in London and the SE is generally a fair bit more than the rest of the country therefore do we get less value for our salary cap? This is always the problem when you have a national wage which the cap effectively is.
no.
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SiB

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Yep I was a drowning my sorrows, a good day out yet again ruined by 80 mins of rugby

ď Come all without, come all with in , we play poor rugby, and we rarely winĒ

Made up last night and seems very appt today

As for perspective can honestly say as many did last night, that has to be up with the worst performances Iíve ever seen by Quins
The experiment is not working

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