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NevsLeftBoot

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Re: TREATMENT TABLE – 14 JANUARY 2020
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 15-Jan-2020, 10:10* »
re: availability

Plus - not all players in the Champ are going to want to risk their current contracts on temp ones in the Prem.

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Re: TREATMENT TABLE – 14 JANUARY 2020
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 15-Jan-2020, 10:34* »
Stepping aside from the matter of replacements and squad depth there is a more obvious issue and that is the epidemiology of the injury list as described.

Contact injuries, such as head and knee injuries sustained on the field of play are difficult to mitigate against. 

However the hamstring tears, sustained by Crumpton, Ismaiel and Evans (and possibly others) suggests an issue with fitness, preparation and conditioning. Athletes are susceptible to hamstring injuries but these are mitigated against through balanced preseason and ongoing training. 

Contributing reasons for tears include: Inadequate warm up; Dehydration; Lack of flexibility; Imbalance between quad and hamstring muscle group balance (e.g over strengthening the quads through repetitive weight training); Fatigue and previous hamstring or lower limb injury.  Each of these is a 'causative agent' and the risk of injury increases with the number of causes being accommodated.

Elsewhere someone expressed surprise that Crumpton was still playing late into the 2nd half.  His subsequent hamstring injury suggests he was clearly in the red zone on several of the contributing reasons for such an injury.  So was this bad luck (chance?) or a lack of attention to biometric detail?     
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Re: TREATMENT TABLE – 14 JANUARY 2020
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 15-Jan-2020, 11:52* »
Word of the day : epidemiology
noun
the branch of medicine which deals with the incidence, distribution, and possible control of diseases and other factors relating to health.

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Re: TREATMENT TABLE – 14 JANUARY 2020
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 15-Jan-2020, 12:09* »
Not sure any prep or conditioning could have prevented Crumptons injury. The video on his Instagram shows his leg being bent underneath a Baths player body as the Bath player croc rolls him in a ruck

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Re: TREATMENT TABLE – 14 JANUARY 2020
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 15-Jan-2020, 13:50* »
Word of the day : epidemiology
noun
the branch of medicine which deals with the incidence, distribution, and possible control of diseases and other factors relating to health.


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Re: TREATMENT TABLE – 14 JANUARY 2020
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 15-Jan-2020, 14:18* »
Hi! First time poster!

I am a recent quins fans due to the signing of Travis Ismael. I am a saffa and big bulls supporter (travis' previous team).

I must say I am disappointed to see that he has not got over his injury issues. This is his second hamstring injury at quins (during his short spell) and probably his 5th in the last two seasons.

I believe Travis can definitely do a job if he gets over his injuries as he really has potential. I am just worried about his age as he is almost 28 years old and supposed to be in his prime and no longer just potential.

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Re: TREATMENT TABLE – 14 JANUARY 2020
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 15-Jan-2020, 14:46* »
Hi! First time poster!

I am a recent quins fans due to the signing of Travis Ismael. I am a saffa and big bulls supporter (travis' previous team).

I must say I am disappointed to see that he has not got over his injury issues. This is his second hamstring injury at quins (during his short spell) and probably his 5th in the last two seasons.

I believe Travis can definitely do a job if he gets over his injuries as he really has potential. I am just worried about his age as he is almost 28 years old and supposed to be in his prime and no longer just potential.

Hello , welcome to the Quins rollercoaster.... we were all hoping Travis would do a good job , hes a big guy with plenty of speed , so fingers crossed he still can .

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Re: TREATMENT TABLE – 14 JANUARY 2020
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 15-Jan-2020, 21:06* »
"This is not only freakish, but reveals the hidden cost of injury in terms of training pedagogy and numbers," head of rugby Paul Gustard said.

What does this actually mean? I am asking in all seriousness.

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Re: TREATMENT TABLE – 14 JANUARY 2020
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 15-Jan-2020, 23:14* »
"This is not only freakish, but reveals the hidden cost of injury in terms of training pedagogy and numbers," head of rugby Paul Gustard said.

What does this actually mean? I am asking in all seriousness.

The second part is obvious and I'm sure you know that to train properly the squad need sufficient numbers to have an effective squad session, especially for set piece, moves and structured actions such as lineout maul defence. There has to be enough players of reasonably similar ability to form two scrummage eights and similarly in the backs.

The first part , the 'pedagogy' is more jargonny. Pedagogy is the science of education techniques and delivery in simplistic terms. By having limited numbers then the range of training drills and options, I.e. the pedagogy, are also limited. For example to devise a new and hopefully better way of defending a line out maul will need the coaching staff to develop a number of options which they will need to test in a live situation during training with full sets of forwards, and spares to minimise injuries and maximise recovery. They will then assess which Is the best option, then coach the players to use it. Again the two sets of forwards need to be reasonably similar in ability and build. No use testing out with the U18S or Academy against the senior team.

Does that help at all? Sorry if it's a bit confused

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Re: TREATMENT TABLE – 14 JANUARY 2020
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 16-Jan-2020, 05:01* »
"This is not only freakish, but reveals the hidden cost of injury in terms of training pedagogy and numbers," head of rugby Paul Gustard said.

What does this actually mean? I am asking in all seriousness.

It means they don’t have a critical mass of players for effective training.

For example, there are 8 forwards in a scrum, so to practise scrummaging, Gustard needs 16 players, with 8 on each side. If he doesn’t have this number then he can’t practise scrummage effectively.

A possible solution (and one I think John Kingston used) is to practise with a Championship team.

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Re: TREATMENT TABLE – 14 JANUARY 2020
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 16-Jan-2020, 08:17* »
It's not sustainable to be ravaged by injury season after season. It can't all be down to luck.

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Re: TREATMENT TABLE – 14 JANUARY 2020
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 16-Jan-2020, 14:10* »
It's not sustainable to be ravaged by injury season after season. It can't all be down to luck.

While I feel very sorry for them, and I think they've both been really goof for us when they have played, so not calling them bad signings, Crumpton and Campagnaro have both got history / reputation as being injury prone. quite a few posters said it was a gamble signing them. I guess you could say that while it's bad luck each time for the players, maybe a mix of bad luck and bad planning / gamble by the club.

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Re: TREATMENT TABLE – 14 JANUARY 2020
« Reply #27 on: Friday 17-Jan-2020, 11:18* »
Salary Cap pressure would mean that you are more prepared to take a risk on a quality but injury prone player. I imagine the contracts might reflect this in some way.

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Re: TREATMENT TABLE – 14 JANUARY 2020
« Reply #28 on: Friday 17-Jan-2020, 13:54* »
I'm beginning to believe we're simply spending too much on the old stars: Brown, Care, Robshaw, Marler. Individually they often show their worth (some more than others!) but as a collective we're not getting value for money and I expect it's a _lot_ of money.

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Re: TREATMENT TABLE – 14 JANUARY 2020
« Reply #29 on: Friday 17-Jan-2020, 14:04* »
I'm beginning to believe we're simply spending too much on the old stars: Brown, Care, Robshaw, Marler. Individually they often show their worth (some more than others!) but as a collective we're not getting value for money and I expect it's a _lot_ of money.

Ive said this for a While now.  Would not put Marler in that bracket but others yes.
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