DAre i say it, I even thought we held on to a few others for too long...Nev, Ugo (guessing they were also on big bucks)

Me too - I'd also certainly exclude Marler (except for those silly yellow cards); Browny I'd keep too, but Care and Robshaw's days are numbered and need "managing".

Need a quality SH for the future, though.

Marler is probably better for England than for Quins, and has been dumb for us too often. Still a fine player who I very much want at the club, but he is going to be on a lot of money and are we getting value for money?

Brown has been an absolute hero for Quins but in the last few years he's spent a lot of time either injured or playing very, very poorly.

its only a rumour but it goes -  Robshaw is on 330k, Quins would like him to drop to around 200k for a new deal

Marler is probably better for England than for Quins, and has been dumb for us too often. Still a fine player who I very much want at the club, but he is going to be on a lot of money and are we getting value for money?

Brown has been an absolute hero for Quins but in the last few years he's spent a lot of time either injured or playing very, very poorly.

Do you think he's better for England because of those behind him or do you regard it as a motivational thing? I think/hope he'll continue to improve his play/attitude: I'd pay for him until he wants out or he runs out of gas.

Perhaps Brown will be rejuvenated after a long layoff - he may have been below his standards in the last few seasons, but if the rest of the squad can start to play to their potential, I think he'll have the desire to continue as I can't see him going anywhere else.

If Brown's wages can be managed downwards and Marler can be persuaded to be cool, then we'll get value for money from them, I suspect. But I don't think Marler needs to be faced with a wage downgrade for a number of years yet - he's still 29 (30 this summer), so a good 3-5 years left on his card, at a time when props are supposed to be at their best.

I must stress it was only a rumour

Maybe not but their next ones surely will be, assuming they stay.

Re: Honky's post -  200k seems like a lot of salary for this stage of Robshaw's career.

Former club captain, former England captain, recent international... I doubt his wages dropped that quickly.

I think 200k is very low for a player with his record, club history, international history, and recent status. Incredibly low.