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Teddington Taff

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Why does everyone want to beat England?
« on: Saturday 16-Mar-2019, 20:22 »
It inspired the Scottish and the Welsh second half come-back.  Is it historical do you think?  Going back to days of YORE?

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SunlightQuin

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Re: Why does everyone want to beat England?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 16-Mar-2019, 20:46 »
It's because Eddie Jones winds everyone up with annoying comments pre match!!

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Re: Why does everyone want to beat England?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 16-Mar-2019, 23:24 »
No it's because they all care more about their historical grievances than anything else. Pathetic really.

Farrell lost it after the charge down and failing to catch the hooker. Chucked a miss pass that was intercepted and got even more out of sorts. Daly isn't a full back, rubbish defence,  Youngs was very poor again too

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Re: Why does everyone want to beat England?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 17-Mar-2019, 07:28 »
No it's because they all care more about their historical grievances than anything else. Pathetic really.

Farrell lost it after the charge down and failing to catch the hooker. Chucked a miss pass that was intercepted and got even more out of sorts. Daly isn't a full back, rubbish defence,  Youngs was very poor again too

Pretty much.

Not so much the others but I wonder how well Scotland could do if they got themselves up for other games as much as they often are for England.

Also I’m done with matches at HQ. The majority of the crowd both home and away supporters are just there for the **** up now and yesterday was the straw that broke the camels back. Had the misfortune to be sandwiched between a group of England supporters in the row in front who spent most of the game standing up and arguing about who’s round it was and a Scotland supporter in the row behind who was effing and blinding all game despite numerous requests for him to knock it on the head. I know it hasn’t been getting worse for years but yesterday was the straw that broke the camels back.

Teddington Taff

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Re: Why does everyone want to beat England?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 17-Mar-2019, 07:29 »
No it's because they all care more about their historical grievances than anything else. Pathetic really.
Interesting!!!!  You obviously have a psychological background. 

The core of the BRITISH army was made up of Welsh, Scots and Irish with the principal officers English.  One of my brothers was in the Welsh Guards and the English officers were highly respected.  So maybe not historical?

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Re: Why does everyone want to beat England?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 17-Mar-2019, 08:03 »
Tell us why from your point of view Teddington? Genuinely curious.

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Re: Why does everyone want to beat England?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 17-Mar-2019, 08:27 »
Stock answer is that the English are arrogant.

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Re: Why does everyone want to beat England?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 17-Mar-2019, 08:31 »

Also I’m done with matches at HQ. The majority of the crowd both home and away supporters are just there for the **** up now and yesterday was the straw that broke the camels back. Had the misfortune to be sandwiched between a group of England supporters in the row in front who spent most of the game standing up and arguing about who’s round it was and a Scotland supporter in the row behind who was effing and blinding all game despite numerous requests for him to knock it on the head. I know it hasn’t been getting worse for years but yesterday was the straw that broke the camels back.

Interesting. I was high up in the north stand and, given the recent reports, decided to keep an eye on the situation during breaks in play

Admittedly we couldn’t see the bottom two tiers of our stand but we had a great view all of the other three stands.

At no point did I see streams of people in the aisles (except the obvious half/full time).

Is it possible you were just unlucky?

From our side we were surrounded by English but with a trio of Scots a couple of rows in front. During the second half, they were getting more vocal but no swearing that I heard and nothing malicious.

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Re: Why does everyone want to beat England?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 17-Mar-2019, 08:39 »
Maybe I was Yareet. Possibly have just had a bad run of people around me. This guy was incessant, full on yelling all game. Glad there were no kids in the bit round me.

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Re: Why does everyone want to beat England?
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 17-Mar-2019, 08:48 »
Think it’s a cocktail mix of a view things. A little bit of history, topped up with a teasing Eddie Jones, added with a dash of perceived arrogance and a slice of jealousy that we are still the only team out of England, Ireland, Scotland & Wales to win a World Cup.
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Re: Why does everyone want to beat England?
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 17-Mar-2019, 09:22 »
I don't think it inspired anything. International teams do not like losing. Wales fought the entire game to stay in touch and outlasted England, whose kicking game fed them everything they needed. Suggesting it's only because it was England is daft - they just won the Grand Slam...

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Re: Why does everyone want to beat England?
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 17-Mar-2019, 10:26 »
Jones may come across as a jokey type of character but in the England camp he is a real piece of work making it a horrible place to be, basically having 2 of the players run the dressing room any difference of opinion is reported back and sanctioned, not a nice place to go to work

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Re: Why does everyone want to beat England?
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 17-Mar-2019, 13:09 »
Well they definitely have a problem going to work in the second half of matches thats for sure.

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Re: Why does everyone want to beat England?
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 17-Mar-2019, 16:26 »
I'd heard to isn;t a great atmosphere too puts coach against coach etc a certain method of getting results I suppose. One of the reasons Gussy left I'v heard. What we saw yesterday though is the result of that when the pressure comes on then a poor team response, unlike Wales when the pressure comes on the dig in for each other.

Teddington Taff

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Re: Why does everyone want to beat England?
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 17-Mar-2019, 19:16 »
Tell us why from your point of view Teddington? Genuinely curious.

So to start - I'll use this from above - In part it's right it is a cocktail.
Think it’s a cocktail mix of a view things. A little bit of history, topped up with a teasing Eddie Jones, added with a dash of perceived arrogance and a slice of jealousy that we are still the only team out of England, Ireland, Scotland & Wales to win a World Cup.
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History is the starting point.  England have always been called "the Old Enemy".  But we've moved on a lot since those days and the use of that description is more of a nod to the past rather than the present. Nationalistic pride does surface when players are chosen to tour with The Lions.  Sir CW was critcised for his English prefernces as WG was for his Welsh.  In the final analysis nationalism was put aside by most of the players and strong bonds formed - although there is still disquiet (in Ireland) for BoD being dropped by Gatland in the final Lion's test.

 Back to topic - There is a perceived arrogance about the English team and the red rose army of supporters and Eddie Jones doesn't help matters with his big mouth. However, I have this theory that when England do well and I mean REALLY WELL... it makes/inspires/cajoles the other home nations to play better. England have been the team to beat in the modern professional era. Better funded; more teams x players to chose from; a better professional structure that is head and shoulders above the other rugby nations worldwide. 

It's as simple as that. England expects! They are the benchmark to test yourself against.  It's why you want to beat them.

 

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