Post by: Bolly-Quin on Friday 19-Jul-2019, 12:59*
Agree it’s done a lot and I’ve worked in places where it’s happened - and it was bloody awful......
So you worked in many insane companies?
Post by: deadlyfrom5yardsout on Friday 19-Jul-2019, 09:45*
Post by: Gone on Friday 19-Jul-2019, 05:51*
That's probably what's coloured your perspective, then. Everywhere I've worked has done it quite successfully.
That would seem likely but...
In Easter’s case - just felt like giving the gang leader the keys to the prison.
Post by: JammyGit on Thursday 18-Jul-2019, 22:56*
Post by: Gone on Thursday 18-Jul-2019, 20:09*
That might well be the case and I don't actually disagree with you that that is a very real potential issue - if I was running a business I'd be very wary of making promotions of that sort - but I've seen it happen at almost every company I've freelanced at. I don't think it's as much of an anomaly as you make out.
And, of course, NEv is still there. So we haven't cleared them all out. Ultimately, shouldn't we just judge him on the performance of the attack/back line and results of the team, regardless of how he may have come to be in that position? Just as all the other coaches are accountable for their particular remits.
Agree it’s done a lot and I’ve worked in places where it’s happened - and it was bloody awful......
Post by: Safri-quin on Thursday 18-Jul-2019, 09:51*
The business analogy is accurate.
If you promote jack the lad, everyone’s mate and make them their manger - they can’t separate their allegiances and are seen as the ally of their mates by those who weren’t part of the circle.
He was a massive character as a player, you can easily see how it would help fuel divisions in a dressing room we suspected - and have had confirmed by players - was disfunctional,
Either way it doesn’t matter now - we’ve cleared them all out and can move on.
Interestingly, at the evening Quinssa arranged with Nick Evans, when asked about the hardest thing about transition to coaching, he said it was changing the relationship with some of his 'mates'
He said they were a tight close group, and he had to make a conscious effort to decouple and take a good few steps back, as in his new role, he couldn't maintain the same matey matey relationship anymore.
Same went for his wife, which he said was a lot harder, the wives & girlfriends are also close, and he said she couldnt be as involved as before due to his new position...
Post by: TomBuckQuin on Thursday 18-Jul-2019, 09:45*
The business analogy is accurate.
If you promote jack the lad, everyone’s mate and make them their manger - they can’t separate their allegiances and are seen as the ally of their mates by those who weren’t part of the circle.
He was a massive character as a player, you can easily see how it would help fuel divisions in a dressing room we suspected - and have had confirmed by players - was disfunctional,
Either way it doesn’t matter now - we’ve cleared them all out and can move on.
That might well be the case and I don't actually disagree with you that that is a very real potential issue - if I was running a business I'd be very wary of making promotions of that sort - but I've seen it happen at almost every company I've freelanced at. I don't think it's as much of an anomaly as you make out.
And, of course, NEv is still there. So we haven't cleared them all out. Ultimately, shouldn't we just judge him on the performance of the attack/back line and results of the team, regardless of how he may have come to be in that position? Just as all the other coaches are accountable for their particular remits.
Post by: Fearless Fred on Thursday 18-Jul-2019, 09:06*
Do you think we might be preparing for Nick Evans to exit sometime soon? Wouldn't be the biggest surprise if he was planning to return to NZ.
That would be surprising, given he only recently got UK citizenship (he posted a photo of his UK Passport last year.)
Post by: Marler on Thursday 18-Jul-2019, 07:06*
Post by: Brown Bottle on Wednesday 17-Jul-2019, 23:21*
One Glans?
A bellend.
Post by: Gone on Wednesday 17-Jul-2019, 22:56*
If you promote jack the lad, everyone’s mate and make them their manger - they can’t separate their allegiances and are seen as the ally of their mates by those who weren’t part of the circle.
He was a massive character as a player, you can easily see how it would help fuel divisions in a dressing room we suspected - and have had confirmed by players - was disfunctional,
Either way it doesn’t matter now - we’ve cleared them all out and can move on.
Post by: Quinky on Wednesday 17-Jul-2019, 20:52*
Neon Slag
One Glans?
Post by: TomBuckQuin on Wednesday 17-Jul-2019, 17:19*
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Post by: TomBuckQuin on Wednesday 17-Jul-2019, 16:11*
In exactly the same way. I find it a rather bizarre argument seeing as it happens in most clubs, if not all.
...which doesn't in itself make it the right thing to do of course. The point is that some have arguably made successes of it, while others haven't. It's mostly impossible to tell exactly why a coach/DOR wasn't successful in a role when there are so many other stakeholders and relationships involved in the day-to-day coaching of a team. Or indeed how much of a part each coach/assistant coach has played in the success of, say, Saracens or Exeter in recent years. What percentage of that success is McCall/Baxter and what percentage does each of their staff claim? No one can really take a stab at those claims other than those on the inside.
I'm not suggesting anyone here actually thinks they know anything about the detail surrounding any of the relationships in the Quins squad/staff - Blucher did use the word "assume" after all. It's all guesswork.
Post by: Quinten Poulsen on Wednesday 17-Jul-2019, 15:59*
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You could say that NEv came through in just the same way
In exactly the same way. I find it a rather bizarre argument seeing as it happens in most clubs, if not all.
Post by: TomBuckQuin on Wednesday 17-Jul-2019, 15:48*
Don’t agree on Easter at all.
Always assume he was a major part of the problem - coaching his best mates with all the allegiances and history that brings and part of a coaching team who had all been there a decade
No sane business would do it.
Find myself both agreeing and disagreeing with this. All comes down to character of the individual involved so I feel it's by degrees.
You could say that NEv came through in just the same way. The question is whether they can command a different kind of respect from the senior players in the squad when they retire compared to the respect they had as part of that cohort as a player. What we may never know is how much Nick Easter's short stint as defence coach was primarily down to his failure to shift that relationship between himself and the likes of Joe, Mike, Danny, Chris - or other factors. Probably a mixture of both, ratio unknown.
The business analogy actually contradicts your argument - people get promoted into management from the main working pool in companies across the country every day. The success of that promotion often comes down (in part at least) to how that individual is able to transition their relationships with those who used to be their peers - and how much support they get from the suits above in order to make that transition successful. Of course, there are always multiple factors at play.
Post by: Bolly-Quin on Wednesday 17-Jul-2019, 15:35*
No sane business would do it.
Do you mean that no business would promote from the "ranks" into management?
Post by: Gone on Wednesday 17-Jul-2019, 15:31*
Always assume he was a major part of the problem - coaching his best mates with all the allegiances and history that brings and part of a coaching team who had all been there a decade
No sane business would do it.
Post by: Quinten Poulsen on Wednesday 17-Jul-2019, 14:25*
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Post by: Quinten Poulsen on Wednesday 17-Jul-2019, 13:24*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2y96RSliNE
Post by: Fearless Fred on Thursday 13-Jun-2019, 13:42*
Neon Slag
I bet you wouldn't all him that to his face, though!
Post by: Bolly-Quin on Thursday 13-Jun-2019, 13:40*
Not happy about "Longy".
Longo?
Longers?
The Longster?
Neon Slag
Post by: Brown Bottle on Thursday 13-Jun-2019, 13:18*
Longo?
Longers?
The Longster?
Post by: Jus-Quin-Time on Wednesday 12-Jun-2019, 19:22*
Maybe the days of getting our tries from kicks are coming to an end.
Maybe the days of other teams getting tries from our kicks are coming to an end!
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Post by: Gone on Tuesday 11-Jun-2019, 17:11*
Post by: Fearless Fred on Tuesday 11-Jun-2019, 17:03*
LONG: “THE WAY I WANT TO ATTACK IS HARD, BUT WE’LL GET REWARDS FROM IT AND IT’LL BE ENTERTAINING FOR THE SUPPORTERS”
Tuesday, 11th June 2019 @ 17:00
HARLEQUINS’ NEW ASSISTANT COACH SEAN LONG OUTLINES HIS REASONS FOR JOINING THE CLUB AND LAYS OUT HIS ATTACKING PLANS FOR THE NEW SEASON
Sean Long is a true legend of Rugby League. As a player, he represented both England and Great Britain and won a host of domestic titles across his career with St Helens including two World Club Challenges, four Grand Finals and five Challenge Cups. He was a Lance Todd winner three times and awarded the Man of Steel Trophy in the year 2000 as a result of being the best player in the Super League that season.
After retiring from the game, Long moved into coaching, again signing for St Helens and helping them reach the summit of the Super League this season and the semi-final of the Challenge Cup.
Making the shift from the 13-man code may have come as a surprise to some, but Long is confident that this is the right move for him, especially after meeting with Quins’ Head of Rugby Paul Gustard: “I had a few offers from Gallagher Premiership sides, but I chose Quins after I met with Gussy and heard about his plans for the future and the way he wants to play. This organisation has some unbelievable players and once I had spoken to him it was a done deal.
“When I first retired from League, I ended up playing Rugby Union for a couple of years at Preston Grasshoppers, and I really enjoyed it. I managed to gain a strong understanding of the game and I’ve followed it since then.
“Since I finished playing, I’ve been watching it in some detail, and I’ve found that the attacking shapes in Union are very similar to Rugby League. I know it’s a different code, but the formations are aligned, and I feel I can bring some awareness of the finer detail to my role at Quins.”
One of the sport’s most decorated athletes, Long has a keen understanding of exactly what it takes to win at the highest level and is keen to bring that mentality to the Club next season: “Winning is a culture, and once you start, it becomes a habit, especially if you can instil that mentality amongst the entire squad.
“You also have to replicate that approach on the training park, in terms of the intensity and the standard of execution that you set yourself, then you’ll start seeing those results on the pitch.
“Quins had a good season last year, but now it’s about finding that extra 10% and becoming a better team and I believe I can help achieve that, both through my experiences as an ex-player and as a coach.”
Long is no stranger to The Stoop, having played there when London Broncos were based at the ground between 2006-11: “When Broncos were based at The Stoop, I used to play there quite a bit. It’s a good track and I’ve got some good memories from being at the stadium. It’s got a good capacity, especially when its bouncing, and it had a great atmosphere that the players could feed off.
“Ultimately, I want to bring a load of energy to the Club. There are some world class players here and they’ve signed a few more. It’s a big move for me and my family to come down to London but it’s one that we’re really looking forward to and I can’t wait to get started.
“I look forward to working with the likes of Danny (Care) and Marcus (Smith) in terms of the exciting brand of rugby that I want to coach. The way I want to attack is challenging, but we’ll get the rewards from it and it’ll be entertaining for the supporters.”
BTW, "Longy" was already his nickname up at ST Helens, apparently, so it's not an invention of ours!
Post by: Bolly-Quin on Tuesday 11-Jun-2019, 16:58*
...Gustard is one of the most rigorous trainers in the Prem and Long had a similar reputation at St Helens - they both believe fitness is the key...
Bearing in mind some of the games where we have failed to be an effective unit for the full 80 minutes, I'd say that this was crucial, but it involves mental and physical conditioning...
Post by: Chipstead Quin on Tuesday 11-Jun-2019, 12:56*
He finished by saying he wouldnt be surprised if some of the players slept in the changing rooms so they weren't late for training !..
Post by: Bolly-Quin on Monday 10-Jun-2019, 18:45*
Post by: Bonus Point Quin on Monday 10-Jun-2019, 17:59*
"Longy"? That didn't take long!Didn't take Longy...
Post by: Teddington Taff on Monday 10-Jun-2019, 17:58*
"to assist with some of the finer detail around running lines and creating numerical advantages" seems quite a limited brief (important though the idea is)Gussy talked about the amount of time they spend on defensive training and time on attacking training. Too much time on defense meant less tries scored. More time on attack meant more tries scored but defensively weaker. It seems to me he's trying to get the best of both worlds with this appointment.
Post by: DOK on Monday 10-Jun-2019, 17:47*
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Post by: Twickersman on Monday 10-Jun-2019, 14:18*
Welcome to the club Sean Long, wishing you the best.
Post by: Gone on Monday 10-Jun-2019, 14:15*
HARLEQUINS IS EXCITED TO ANNOUNCE TODAY (10TH JUNE 2019) THAT THE CLUB HAS SIGNED SEAN LONG AS ASSISTANT COACH FROM NEXT SEASON.
Sean joins the Club from St Helens where he is Assistant Coach to the rugby league side who are currently top of the Super League table and secured their place in the Challenge Cup semi-final with victory over Wakefield Trinity on 1st June.
A former rugby league scrum-half who played for both England and Great Britain, Sean also won a host of domestic titles across his career including two World Club Challenges, four Grand Finals and five Challenge Cups. He was a Lance Todd winner three times and awarded the Man of Steel Trophy in the year 2000 as a result of being the best player in the Super League that season.
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Commenting on the appointment Harlequins Head of Rugby Paul Gustard said: “I have been looking at adding a coach to assist with some of the finer detail around running lines and creating numerical advantages for some time now and I am delighted that Sean has decided to join Quins ahead of other Premiership options as he takes his first foray into coaching union.
“From an early age, rugby league players have core skill acquisition engrained in their developmental pathway. The skill fundamentals of catch pass, tackling and running lines take precedence over what shape your team plays and they are the key and critical transferable skills which are required in union.
“As a player, Sean was a stand-out amongst his peers and perhaps his greatest strength, despite all his talent, is his competitive desire. We can see with the performance of St Helens this year the impact he is now having as a coach with their attack as they compete at the top of Super League and enter into the semi-finals of the Challenge Cup after a 40-point thrashing over Wakefield.
“We welcome Longy and his partner Sally-Ann to Harlequins and look forward to the contribution he will make as we look to build on last season’s improvements.”
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Sean Long added: “I’m really excited to be joining Harlequins. It’s time for me to pursue a new challenge and Quins is a top Club with a group of talented players and hard-working staff; I can’t wait to join up with them.
“I wanted to take this opportunity to thank everyone in rugby league for the time I have had there, but now I’m focused on Harlequins and am looking forward to getting started on the preparations for next season.”
He will join up with the team from 8th July when the squad returns for pre-season training.
Post by: A222Quin on Monday 10-Jun-2019, 14:15*
https://www.quins.london/news/harlequins-sign-sean-long/
Post by: Bolly-Quin on Sunday 09-Jun-2019, 15:03*
On the Rugby Pod, Darren Cave suggested he was going to Gloucester as Cipriani had identified him as an attack coach
As QP says, the quote was: “He’s basically come in and said that he needs someone to be on the forwards about their running lines flat out and he can’t be doing it as a 10 and they need to bring in Sean Long.”
So sounds more like a forwards attack coach that wanted...
Post by: Archquin on Sunday 09-Jun-2019, 14:41*
Post by: Domestos on Sunday 09-Jun-2019, 14:30*
I thought he was our skills coach??
T'website says:-
Quote;-"A club legend and one of the best Premiership imports, Nick Evans joined the Harlequins coaching staff after retiring from playing in 2017; he is Skills and Off-the-ball Coach.
With more than 200 Harlequins appearances to his name, Evans is the Club's record points scorer with 2249 points in a Harlequins career spanning nine years.
Beginning his career at Otago as a fullback, he quickly developed into a ruthless fly-half. Nick made his New Zealand debut in 2004 against England and went on to make 16 appearances, scoring 103 points.
After representing the All Blacks during the 2007 Rugby World Cup, he joined Harlequins from The Blues and played an integral role in the Club's successes in the professional era; kicking a touchline conversion to win the Amlin Challenge Cup in 2011 and contributing 20 points in the 2012 Aviva Premiership final.
Evans produced one of the most memorable moments in the Club's history when he scored a last minute drop goal against Stade Francais in the 2008 Heineken Cup pool stage following 29 phases."
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Post by: Bolly-Quin on Saturday 08-Jun-2019, 13:54*
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/sean-long-swap-st-helens-16480020
And this from GloucestershireLive with comment from Cips:-
https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/danny-cipriani-wants-st-helens-2953796
Post by: Quinten Poulsen on Saturday 08-Jun-2019, 13:53*
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Danny Cipriani has urged Gloucester to bring in Sean Long as a coach next season, according to former Ireland international Darren Cave.
Former Great Britain and England rugby league star Long is currently assistant coach at St Helens and has been linked with a cross-code move to Kingsholm.
And Cave claimed on The Rugby Pod with Andy Goode and Jim Hamilton that Cipriani is a big influence in the move for Long, who would be brought in to work alongside the current first team coaching setup.
“I’ve heard he’s done some work at Gloucester and D Cips insisted that he be brought in to do their phase sort of shape,” said Cave.
“He’s basically come in and said that he needs someone to be on the forwards about their running lines flat out and he can’t be doing it as a 10 and they need to bring in Sean Long.”
Gloucester fly-half Cipriani is a known admirer of Long, who won four Super League title, five Challenge Cups and two World Club Challenges during his playing career with St Helens.
In a column for The Telegraph in February, Cipriani said: “I worked with NRL great Andrew Johns in Melbourne and met Sean Long while he was at Salford and I was at Sale Sharks.
“A five-minute phone call with Sean will teach you so much. He has an unbelievable brain.”
Sounds like a good signing if true.
Post by: Fearless Fred on Saturday 08-Jun-2019, 13:21*
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