ComeAllWithin
Rugby => ComeAllWithin Board => Topic started by: DOK on Monday 11-Apr-2022, 14:47*
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A finger of fudge? My grandad told me about that advertising campaign!
As Graeme Garden once memorably said in a game of "Complete the Advertising slogan" on I'm sorry I Haven't a Clue:
"A finger of fudge is just enough...." "...to join the Euphemism Society!"
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I don't give a finger of fudge which shirt they wear - just beat Montpelier by 15 points.
A finger of fudge? My grandad told me about that advertising campaign!
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Are they? I thought it was only away European matches they were wearing it.
Yes, I think it is only for away games in Europe and Big Game. So, for those that don't care for it, we may not see it again until our semi away to Racing! (Fingers crossed!!!)
Of course, it may also get a run out against Glaws at the Big Summer Kick Off but I really hope we wear our traditional colours for that one.
For me, I love the home kit this season and last season and also love the Prem winning Red and white kit. It will be interesting to see what Castore offer us next season!
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I don't give a finger of fudge which shirt they wear - just beat Montpelier by 15 points.
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The Butcher's apron top is far worse.
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We wore the home kit when we faced Castres back in January.
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Wearing it again Saturday, so that should cheer us up
Are they? I thought it was only away European matches they were wearing it.
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Wearing it again Saturday, so that should cheer us up
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Interesting. What shirt went with that?
Also wonder if the kit designers knew of the significance.
I think it was this one. https://www.quins.co.uk/news/harlequins-launch-201819-home-and-away-kits/ which would suggest that they did add the blue deliberately.
And it may have officially been something like “madras blue”.
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One of the strips in the last couple of years (I think 18/19) had Prussian Blue shorts
Interesting. What shirt went with that?
Also wonder if the kit designers knew of the significance.
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One of the strips in the last couple of years (I think 18/19) had Prussian Blue shorts
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White shorts when I joined in the early 90s. Then black. Don't remember blue but if it was very dark blue ...
One of the strips in the last couple of years (I think 18/19) had Prussian Blue shorts
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Tim Visser would have worn knickerbockers - he's Dutch; the term originated from typically rich Dutch immigrants in NY in mid 17thC and their preference for laced up, baggy knee-length shorts. Gave its name to NY Knicks - short for...
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Checkout these concept designs (cue outrage)
https://www.behance.net/gallery/138833343/Rugby-Kit-Concept-Mockup-HARLEQUINS
Would be happy with the home shirt but for me the winner is that white away shirt. Have never bought an away kit but would happily get that one.
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I like some of these items:
https://harlequin-club-incorporated.square.site/?location=11eabcf3cdb1b4a09f5154ab3a322722
Purchases need to be collected on Wednesday evenings after 6:30 - but, I can't typically get down there.
Is there anyone round who could pick a hoodie and few shirts up for me?
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I knew I had seen it somewhere -
"The Harlequins colours are French grey, magenta, chocolate, and light blue. These are reversed on the back of the jerseys.
The original colour of their shorts (or “knickerbockers”) was dark blue. The minutes from a meeting in 1906 show that they were now playing in white knickerbockers."
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Talking about colour palettes.
Aren't we supposed to have dark blue in the colours as well?
I thought that we traditionally played in blue shorts.
White shorts when I joined in the early 90s. Then black. Don't remember blue but if it was very dark blue ...
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Talking about colour palettes.
Aren't we supposed to have dark blue in the colours as well?
I thought that we traditionally played in blue shorts.
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Last one I purchased was the 150th year shirt. Nothing since then has really done it for me. That horrible khaki effort though...since when was khaki in the Quins colour palette?
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Feels like we've had something quite similar to the away one before.
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Checkout these concept designs (cue outrage)
https://www.behance.net/gallery/138833343/Rugby-Kit-Concept-Mockup-HARLEQUINS
First one is great. Would love that as an away shirt - maybe add two white quarters if needed. Don't really like the away one. Change one is fun too
Another gripe with many of the adidas shirts is that they have a plain back, which just seems a bit lazy
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Checkout these concept designs (cue outrage)
https://www.behance.net/gallery/138833343/Rugby-Kit-Concept-Mockup-HARLEQUINS
The white-dominated one is very good - simple and has the colours; the others are too "design-orientated" and couldn't be transferred to cotton, although I can imagine plenty of people liking the first one.
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Checkout these concept designs (cue outrage)
https://www.behance.net/gallery/138833343/Rugby-Kit-Concept-Mockup-HARLEQUINS
Yes I'd take the first one for preference, why can't we have that as the away shirt?
There was a time some bloody acronym was trying to tell the clubs every away shirt had to be predominantly white, so I'd take the second one at a pinch.
The third one is not as "authentic" in my opinion, and I wouldn't like to see it. However, if you're saying otherwise we have to play in the current farmyard brown shirts, I'd take it!
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The concept ones above aren’t bad except the third one which looks like a kid with a crayon has been let loose on it.
Pound for pound so to speak, Kooga in my view we’re the best.
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First two are great.
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So do I Jammy. At least they’ve stayed with the core colours.
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Being a kit collector and a massive geek when it comes to rugby kits/boots etc, I speak with a few other collectors etc mainly over the rugby/football spectrum. One of my good pals had this to say about Castore:
If I’m honest getting castore isn’t great. “They’re having a nightmare with Newcastle at the moment. They’ve taken over operation of the club store, and yeah it’s not going well at all.”
For me, Castores designs for most of their football and rugby teams look good. But this doesn’t sound good, and almost identical to the issues with Adidas/Lovell we are currently facing this year at least. These being not having a good selection of kit for all sexes and sizes, poor stock levels, and Lovell pretty much running our merchandise department. Lovell used to be a phenomenal company to deal with but ever since partnering with Sports Direct a few years ago have completely changed their business and not for the better.
The optimum choice for me would be Nike, or stick with Adidas if they can commit to putting more effort in our kit designs like the first few years of the kit partnership with Quins, and a levelled up offering for all sexes and sizes. And never again pick a shirt for us which looks like it’s risen from a swamp. Nike for me used to ace the England kits, and have always put out great France, Toulouse, Argentina, Jaguars, Saracens, South Africa, Newcastle and more recently Toulon and Clermont kits in terms of design. I feel like they would be able to release a great varied offering too. Nike rarely ever put out a shoddy kit.
Preferably Nike or keep Adidas for me, if not then Castore, Umbro, Macron or Cotton Traders. Definitely not “Can’t-erburuy” (as I like to call them), or Samurai.
I used to love the Quins Mizuno/Kooga/O’Neills offering too from the past.
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I like all of those.
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Checkout these concept designs (cue outrage)
https://www.behance.net/gallery/138833343/Rugby-Kit-Concept-Mockup-HARLEQUINS
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I would like to see an away shirt that looked like this:
Front - quarters. Colours blue,white, white grey
Back - magenta white, white, brown
Right sleeve - green + white
Left sleeve - black+white
And, make a long sleeve cotton version to match
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I like the shirt, it’s quite different to any other shirt we have had.
Regarding design input from the players, I went to a Club night a few years back and they mentioned how it is important to get player feedback at the design stage.
Personally, the adidas years have been the best from my perspective….. different to everyone else in the Prem. I like the kit and the training gear too…..
But I always think Quins is a tough sell…. They have an iconic shirt that you can’t really mess with, so away shirts and BG shirts are always going to be a big part of the sponsorship.
The theory being that most people have a Home shirt, they are not going to change every two seasons. But they may purchase a different style…..
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I do agree, I would say the recent BG shirts could be "spiced" up a little more. Shame the club could not run a fan based competition for designs.
I think all of these issues boil down to how much influence the club has on the kit supplier and the terms of the deal.
Adidas clearly put more effort in the first few years when they cared and then have been phoning it in with generic designs since they decided to bin us 18mths ago. Which they can do as a global megabrand where Quins shirt sales are undoubtedly a small rounding error on their revenue.
Don't know anything much about Castore but as they're smaller and it's a (rumoured) new deal, I'd hope that we'd have more bespoke/more 'Quins' shirts over the next few years and ideally a bit more thought about what fans want. Maybe even an away shirt that's the quarters in alternative or 150th colours! Here's hoping.
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I agree that with a home shirt that leaves little scope for change, the away / BG shirts are a chance to experiment / push it. My gripe is that, after initially coming up with decent designs that at least had some relevance to Quins, more recent designs have just been a generic Adidas design, with some half-arsed promotional blurb trying to claim it has something to do with Quins. The latest shirt is a classic example - it's a stock Adidas design, with blurb saying inspired by our traveling army.
There is plenty of scope to experiment but still with relevance to the club. Some of the fan designs you seek knocking about look great. Quinssa made some nice ones a few years ago too
I do agree, I would say the recent BG shirts could be "spiced" up a little more. Shame the club could not run a fan based competition for designs.
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My gripe is that, after initially coming up with decent designs that at least had some relevance to Quins, more recent designs have just been a generic Adidas design, with some half-arsed promotional blurb trying to claim it has something to do with Quins.
A few years ago, one of the shirts had a London map. (Basically, it was the red shirt that looked as though a car had driven over it).
This seemed a nice idea (although I think it was poorly executed. I couldn't even tell that it was a map of London.).
But, on further investigation, it looked as though all Adidas rugby teams around the world had a similar design idea. Basically, someone in marketing came up with a concept and they applied it to every team. My one gripe though was that they actually did it slightly better for one of the NZ teams. For them, they had the longitude and latitude of their home ground.
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The way I see it, we are limited with the Quarters. I love the fact we have one of the most recognisable shirts in sport, but having the Away/BG shirts gives us a chance to experiment and try something new. Might not always work but they always seem a bit different and trying to "push" it, so why not. I dont think it looks too bad with the red socks tbh
I agree that with a home shirt that leaves little scope for change, the away / BG shirts are a chance to experiment / push it. My gripe is that, after initially coming up with decent designs that at least had some relevance to Quins, more recent designs have just been a generic Adidas design, with some half-arsed promotional blurb trying to claim it has something to do with Quins. The latest shirt is a classic example - it's a stock Adidas design, with blurb saying inspired by our traveling army.
There is plenty of scope to experiment but still with relevance to the club. Some of the fan designs you seek knocking about look great. Quinssa made some nice ones a few years ago too
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The present red-white away shirt is the best for years; I don't understand why we can't have Quarters for our BG/Euro shirts though - in some form or other.
But design/make any shirt that you hope to sell in quantities work in cotton not blooming polylycraester! And in Stout sizes!
The players regard it as a lucky shirt, too, after wearing it for Bristanbul [1] and the Final, which is why they kept it for another year rather than rotating. I quite like it, though my favourite away shirts were the 2007ish diamond designs.
[1] (it's Quinstantinople)
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The idea of away strips is purely driven by the hope that rugby fans will buy two complete sets each year,
That's a slightly over-simplistic view as I doubt even the most optimistic CEO would suggest many people buy both strips every year. Away strips do however give purchasers extra choice - it could be away one year, home the next. Or if a fan doesn't particularly like that season's home strip, they have an alternative (or two).
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The present red-white away shirt is the best for years; I don't understand why we can't have Quarters for our BG/Euro shirts though - in some form or other.
But design/make any shirt that you hope to sell in quantities work in cotton not blooming polylycraester! And in Stout sizes!
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I remember when the first away strip was brought in, 2004 (?) it was light blue and Tony Copsey was pictured wearing it scowling with the comment that we never intended to wear it.
Roll on some years and changing shirts appears obligatory at any opportunity. At least the 6 nations still stick to the tradition that you only change if there is a clash and then the home team changes.
Sadly the RFU seem to have got themselves obligated to play a home game in the away strip once a season which is always against the lowest ranked opponent which says a lot about respect and secondly, and there are studies on this, that playing with the same strip speeds up reaction time as you don't have to consciously process friend or foe and this is a reason why we won't change if possible against "big boy" opposition.
The idea of away strips is purely driven by the hope that rugby fans will buy two complete sets each year, which is clearly not happening in any great numbers - the 150 year anniversary strip being the exception and I amongst other posters really like that shirt. My only other ones are from the CSF era and the short sleeve one was only bought as I was going to see some cricket in SA.
On a marketing front changing the shirt is stupid as product recognition is very important.
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The khaki shirt is vile 🤮
I don't mind the red one too much, but I don't see why we don't wear the quarters more.
The 150th shirt was lovely. It's my favourite Quins shirt, the only close one is my original NEC Kooga shirt.
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Yep. Just doesn’t live up to the hype for me.
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I’m with honkytonk. I’m not fussed about it. That Bar Code one a few years ago annoyed me and the biggest let down was that one that was supposed to sparkle under the lights but seemed to make no difference at all.
This one?
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Personally I thought the kit was absolutely fine until I looked at it.
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The way I see it, we are limited with the Quarters. I love the fact we have one of the most recognisable shirts in sport, but having the Away/BG shirts gives us a chance to experiment and try something new. Might not always work but they always seem a bit different and trying to "push" it, so why not. I dont think it looks too bad with the red socks tbh
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I’m with honkytonk. I’m not fussed about it. That Bar Code one a few years ago annoyed me and the biggest let down was that one that was supposed to sparkle under the lights but seemed to make no difference at all.
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I dont mind it
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What do the players think about the shirt? It seems they have no say on this? Sounds like mushroom management to me!
Also my least favourite kit ever.
I doubt the coaches and club management have any say in it, let alone the players. From what I understand we have a contract with Adidas and we wear what we're given.
Which would explain why we never ever wear the quarters away even when we could/should (e.g. prem final, big game, non-clashing away matches)
Hoping the rumoured Castore deal yields some better stuff like we had in the early days of Adidas, like the 150th kit!
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What do the players think about the shirt? It seems they have no say on this? Sounds like mushroom management to me!
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Well at least we won’t have to put up with Adidas cast offs next season
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Well in the past we've had Big Game shirts, and that piece of crap is this year's Big Game shirt. That, however, is no excuse for inflicting it on us for a second time.
I didn't realize that when I commented on the match thread about our away strip. I wondered why it sort of surprised me.
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Well in the past we've had Big Game shirts, and that piece of crap is this year's Big Game shirt. That, however, is no excuse for inflicting it on us for a second time.
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Wore it at Twickenham for the Big Game and that was a home match
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...I just hope we don't wear it for the summer at Twickenham match...
Surely that is a home premiership game and will be in the quarters? Please?
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They use the shirt to play in gor the away European tie and the big game. I just hope we don't wear it for the summer at Twickenham match. We seem to do well in that red away kit though
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Hands down the worst shirt we’ve had in the professional age.
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Agree, as soon as they ran out on Sunday it looked liked they'd already had a game playing in mud.
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It must (literally) be the sh*ttiest shirt that Quins has ever misguidedly created. Total disaster.
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Have a competition to see whose shirt gets the furthest away by travelling DHL?
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I mean does anybody like it? It's not like the shop is selling it anymore, so this can't be to boost sales.
Why can't we just play in the quarters? Is it some rule?