ComeAllWithin
Rugby => ComeAllWithin Board => Topic started by: SiB on Wednesday 14-Feb-2024, 07:16*
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Best entertainment I ever saw at rugby (by a long way) was during the Hong Kong 7s, when the Beach Boys did a set during a break. Even by HK standards, the atmosphere was incredible.
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I'm sure I remember a Grateful Dead concert where there was a long break between numbers - maybe to spliff up - but a game of impromptu sevens broke out between the roadies and the backing singers
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I am going to London Scottish v Caldy on Saturday. The only other game at RAG was the last minute win v table topping Ealing. The atmosphere generated by c.1,000 fans was an experience to behold.
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We need a Trumpeter!!
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I guess the target audience are people who don't care that much for rugby or those who don't like to chat or to gather their thoughts during breaks in play. I don't mind the music just before the team comes out, and I wouldn't find it offensive before/after the game and at half time if it's not too loud. Maybe I could get behind the idea of playing music during kicks at goal if it drowns out the noise from the shushing dipsticks.
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Sorry thought you mentioned dead ball time and hence the music was needed
Yep been at some dire games at the Stoop and further afield, and doubt music would make them any better, so both agree then
Yes, I was just pointing out the possible difficulty of "selling the game" with all that dead time and wondering if that had any bearing on the introduction of music during the game.
It's not my cup of tea but I doubt I'm the target audience anymore and I certainly won't be in 10 or 20 years time.
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The dead time is a big atmosphere killer. The scrum faffing, long TMO conferences, reemergence of water carriers on with increasing frequency. The atmosphere comes from the game being worth watching and with a bit of tempo. At the moment a lot of games are a terrible spectacle with the ball in play for way too short a time.
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Sorry thought you mentioned dead ball time and hence the music was needed
Yep been at some dire games at the Stoop and further afield, and doubt music would make them any better, so both agree then
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Or maybe gives enough time for supporters to build the atmosphere
But the stadiums seem to be so afraid that this won’t happen
Can remember at Stade when we had around a thousand singing “ Maybe it’s because I’m a Londoner, and the French responding with "La Marseillaise“ just brilliant
Or Sale away when the Sale owner bought a round of drinks after a Friday night game and said we where the loudest away support they had in years
Listen to the noise at Cardiff recently, no music interpreted the atmosphere
Well, I'm not really sure how nothing happening is conducive to creating an atmosphere.
Notable that your 3 examples are all away. Not sure France and Wales count as they have a different attitude. Sale away and, what, 30? of you being the loudest away support they'd had for years? Sadly I can believe that. 😁
I'm sure you've been at the Stoop on a miserable day watching a grim game on many an occasion; remember the atmosphere then?
Anyway, it's not me you need to argue with as I'm not interested in wall to wall music at rugby, as I said above.
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During the 2023 RWC the ball was in play for an average of 34 mins 18 secs. That leaves 45 minutes plus 10-20 minutes when the clock is stopped.
That's an awful lot of dead time.
Perhaps spectators, especially newcomers, just get bored in the gaps.
Or maybe gives enough time for supporters to build the atmosphere
But the stadiums seem to be so afraid that this won’t happen
Can remember at Stade when we had around a thousand singing “ Maybe it’s because I’m a Londoner, and the French responding with "La Marseillaise“ just brilliant
Or Sale away when the Sale owner bought a round of drinks after a Friday night game and said we where the loudest away support they had in years
Listen to the noise at Cardiff recently, no music interpreted the atmosphere
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No, fair enough, DOK. I pretty much agree with you re. the music. I just thought it was worth mentioning.
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I appreciate that BB, but I'm saying the slices of time are what annoys me. Yes, tell me there's 55 minutes of dead time to fill, play the music. It's why I said I have no trouble with them filling half time with music. And yes, if it looks like being a long break, player down, doctors clustered round, cart called on the pitch - play some music (though I don't understand why).
But 30 seconds? Then some rugby. Then another 60 seconds (of a different track). Then some rugby....Then a break in play with no music. Then some rugby... I admit, I'm the first to buy into Mark Evan's view we're in the entertainment business. And we are, and we do and we're very good at it. I just think music at practically every break in play is over the top.
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During the 2023 RWC the ball was in play for an average of 34 mins 18 secs. That leaves 45 minutes plus 10-20 minutes when the clock is stopped.
That's an awful lot of dead time.
Perhaps spectators, especially newcomers, just get bored in the gaps.
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Very annoying when they play music during breaks in play at the stoop
The rubbish product on the pitch at Twickenham is the problem
Then the piped in noise kills any organic atmosphere
There's no "I so so absolutely agree with you" button so I'm writing this. I can understand the music before the game, music at half time, music at full time. But what is the point of 30 seconds of some random track just because play has stopped briefly?
In the old days, playing "these boots were made for walking" as the opposition picked up a yellow card or "all we are saying is give peace a chance" as a fight broke out (I use the word loosely), that was amusing. But are the crowd getting so restless after a minute of no play that someone has to say "turn on the music before they turn on us!"?
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I think it is OK to have walk on music, be that Mighty Quin, the theme from Jaws or Smoke on the Water.
And acceptable to have a tune you play if you win.
But leave it at that.
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It is the modern world
Organisers of sports event seem to think that people are incapable of watching sport without loud music at every break
This has now crept in at the Stoop
It totally kills the atmosphere
Was at Brentford game when at the end they played Hey Jude (which is a song I detest) and some hideous rap song and incredible loud levels.
Fans were not cheering their team but singing along - just had nothing to do with sport
It was impossible to chat to my mates just behind me
When I go to sport I want to enjoy the atmosphere of live sport otherwise I amy as well sit at home and watch on TV or in the pub, not listen to loud music which may not be my personal choice.
I assume that the people who decide that this is what punters desire are youg kids who have done a marketing course and spend their life on a phone and cannot enjoy the moment.
I’m 55 and think it’s great. Drowns out the old farts boring on about the old days.
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I didn't find the music for fights, yellow cards, etc offensive, just a bit lame. Especially as we obviously only did it for the away team. Made us look a bit silly when we lost. It's the sort of thing people would hammer sarries for, especially the music when the other team ran on, like coronation street, brand new harvester
Having said that, those tunes beat "riiiise, riiiise, riiiiiiise"
Have to agree there can’t stand that riiise
What’s wrong with Joker and London Calling
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Yes, fix the product on the pitch and the rest will begin to look after itself. I think the big game production is far slicker but Quins as a club lends itself to colour and razzmatazz so it all feels a lot less forced. You’re also in the position that England don’t need to try to sell out Twickenham whereas Quins do.
One thing is for sure, you’ll not be able to please everyone and one person’s joy is another’s nightmare.
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Apparently the “alcohol free”’rule was announced after tickets had been bought. While this is a good idea it was badly implemented.
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I didn't find the music for fights, yellow cards, etc offensive, just a bit lame. Especially as we obviously only did it for the away team. Made us look a bit silly when we lost. It's the sort of thing people would hammer sarries for, especially the music when the other team ran on, like coronation street, brand new harvester
Having said that, those tunes beat "riiiise, riiiise, riiiiiiise"
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Back in the old days it was quite good when a fight broke out the PA played Give peace a Chance.
However that was when humour was allowed and now we should all clutch our pearls and tut from our safe space that violence has no place in the game, bad example to children, would be sent to prison if it happened off the pitch etc. etc
Used to like “ Goodbye” for a yellow card, but again stopped so as not to offend
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Back in the old days it was quite good when a fight broke out the PA played Give peace a Chance.
However that was when humour was allowed and now we should all clutch our pearls and tut from our safe space that violence has no place in the game, bad example to children, would be sent to prison if it happened off the pitch etc. etc
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Very annoying when they play music during breaks in play at the stoop
The rubbish product on the pitch at Twickenham is the problem
Then the piped in noise kills any organic atmosphere
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The more rugby goes in this direction, the sooner it will become 7’s , in so much the rugby is just a sideline for a “ Day out”
We even had at The Stoop open day “ We are entertainers” nope we are a rugby club
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England team have obviously been told to be more interactive with the fans. On Saturdays ENG/WALES England players stayed out longer signing shirt etc, they have also moved the players bus further away from the front reception area.
I overheard someone saying that they wanted to park the bus at the stoop and walk over but the request was denied, but not stated by who.
That was a quote from Jamie George talking with DC on a BBC pod. It was (IMO) a little tongue in cheek
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The after game party at Brentford is enjoyed by a huge majority of the supporters who stay behind to celebrate the teams win. The players and Thomas do a lap and the crowd sing along to the usual three songs that are played. I like it when I’m there and you don’t get the rapid departure of the stands and emptying of the ground like at the Stoop. The loud music they play before the game and at half time at Quins and Twickenham means you can’t talk to your friends. Nobody near me likes it but we are all old, in fact I haven’t found anybody that thinks the loud music is good .
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It is the modern world
Organisers of sports event seem to think that people are incapable of watching sport without loud music at every break
This has now crept in at the Stoop
It totally kills the atmosphere
Was at Brentford game when at the end they played Hey Jude (which is a song I detest) and some hideous rap song and incredible loud levels.
Fans were not cheering their team but singing along - just had nothing to do with sport
It was impossible to chat to my mates just behind me
When I go to sport I want to enjoy the atmosphere of live sport otherwise I amy as well sit at home and watch on TV or in the pub, not listen to loud music which may not be my personal choice.
I assume that the people who decide that this is what punters desire are youg kids who have done a marketing course and spend their life on a phone and cannot enjoy the moment.
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England team have obviously been told to be more interactive with the fans. On Saturdays ENG/WALES England players stayed out longer signing shirt etc, they have also moved the players bus further away from the front reception area.
I overheard someone saying that they wanted to park the bus at the stoop and walk over but the request was denied, but not stated by who.
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I read this as the RFU want's to try and create as best atmosphere as they can, because the team on the pitch aren't really capable.
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Just tell them its Guinness Zero, how would they know.
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Daily Mail reported that all those (drinkers) in the 2 pilot alcohol free stands are demanding their money back.
I read somewhere that one bloke downed 4 pints of Guinness in front of the stewards before taking his seat. I couldn't do that now and I doubt I ever could have.
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Daily Mail reported that all those (drinkers) in the 2 pilot alcohol free stands are demanding their money back.
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Are the RFU trying to imitate our Big Game?
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The "jazz band" wandering around the pitch , intervening with their grim "musical interludes" at every break in play really got on my t!ts, and agreee, the HT DJ needs binning as soon as possible. Stewards who know a modicum about the stadium would be a great help also.
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Pre match was ok, actually didn't mind the music during breaks (Hey Jude was popular)...But the HT DJ set was APPALLING.....and so out of sync with what the punters wanted....very very poor!!!
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Found this interesting on the RFU trying to create atmosphere at HQ
Really don’t like DJs etc, but get that no longer the target audience, not just at HQ but at The Stoop
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/feb/13/hitting-the-wonderwall-twickenham-struggles-to-make-own-entertainment-rugby-union-breakdown
I thought that article was spot on.
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Found this interesting on the RFU trying to create atmosphere at HQ
Really don’t like DJs etc, but get that no longer the target audience, not just at HQ but at The Stoop
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/feb/13/hitting-the-wonderwall-twickenham-struggles-to-make-own-entertainment-rugby-union-breakdown