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Title: Local rugby clubs face losing 6N ticket allocations
Post by: DOK on Thursday 07-Feb-2019, 22:50
Tickets given to clubs such as Rosslyn Park found on Viagogo (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/feb/07/rugby-clubs-ticket-six-nations-viagogo)
Title: Re: Local rugby clubs face losing 6N ticket allocations
Post by: Blucherquin on Friday 08-Feb-2019, 06:46
Yeah sadly of little surprise that the people who are most likely to bang on about the “rugby family” are the ones screwing over the fans.

Bugs the hell out of me.

Mind you in also amazed anyone is prepared to pay over the odds for a ticket to anything.
Title: Re: Local rugby clubs face losing 6N ticket allocations
Post by: Quicker Quin on Friday 08-Feb-2019, 07:20


Mind you in also amazed anyone is prepared to pay over the odds for a ticket to anything.

I think the tickets are over priced, even at face value.

Why anyone would pay several hundred pounds for a ticket is beyond me.
Title: Re: Local rugby clubs face losing 6N ticket allocations
Post by: Mayor West on Friday 08-Feb-2019, 07:44
There will always be someone greedy enough to try to profit and someone stupid enough to pay.
Title: Re: Local rugby clubs face losing 6N ticket allocations
Post by: Blucherquin on Friday 08-Feb-2019, 08:09
I think the tickets are over priced, even at face value.

Why anyone would pay several hundred pounds for a ticket is beyond me.

To be fair I paid several hundreds pounds per ticket several times in the World Cup - and how often do you get to walk from your front door to a seat at a World Cup Final in 10 mins.

But they were all face value.
Title: Re: Local rugby clubs face losing 6N ticket allocations
Post by: Quicker Quin on Friday 08-Feb-2019, 08:42
One does have to wonder where Viagogo gets its tickets from, if it isn't from individuals and clubs.

I can buy tickets from my rugby club, but I think they are too expensive.

I was offered two tickets for the France game earlier this week - at £115.00 each. i didn't pursue the offer.
Title: Re: Local rugby clubs face losing 6N ticket allocations
Post by: Yareet on Friday 08-Feb-2019, 09:36
I think the tickets are over priced, even at face value.

Why anyone would pay several hundred pounds for a ticket is beyond me.

Based on the rules of price elasticity, they’re probably about right given that most games are 90%+ sold out.
Title: Re: Local rugby clubs face losing 6N ticket allocations
Post by: Chipstead Quin on Friday 08-Feb-2019, 11:04
All tickets for the August ' warm up' games were taken from Local Rugby Clubs and just placed on the RFU / Ticketmaster web site for people to buy direct - apparently to give Ticket Officers a break .

The RFU issued a document last month to all Clubs to say they were revisiting the allocations of tickets to Rugby Clubs for next years 6N . They are planning to use a 'new algorithm ' to determine how many each Club would receive . ( currently Level 9 Clubs  get about 40 tickets per game for  most 6N , more for the Italy game )

That probably means only one thing (as the tickets to local clubs give the RFU less revenue than the resale value ) . The RFU will sell less cheaper tickets through the Clubs and sell at the higher prices to allow the Corporate world to spend more in the new East Stand development , or just charge normal punters more .
Title: Re: Local rugby clubs face losing 6N ticket allocations
Post by: Fearless Fred on Friday 08-Feb-2019, 12:20
Given that Prem clubs get approx 200 tickets for the AIs and 6Ns, I'm surprised that clubs at level 9 get that many.  It's no wonder they get passed on to local sponsors who may not have any takers in their staff & so sell them on.
Title: Re: Local rugby clubs face losing 6N ticket allocations
Post by: Quicker Quin on Friday 08-Feb-2019, 12:31
What is level 9?

Can you give an example of a local club at level 9?

Edit

Let google be your friend. Herts/Middlesex 1 according to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_rugby_union_system
Title: Re: Local rugby clubs face losing 6N ticket allocations
Post by: Chipstead Quin on Friday 08-Feb-2019, 12:43
What is level 9?

Can you give an example of a local club at level 9?

http://www.rfulondon.com/lgeres

Teams in Surrey 1 , Kent 1 , Herts/Middx 1 would be Level 9

I also think the allocation might be changed depending how many are taken by the Club . I have always taken my full allocation and so maintained approx. 40 .
Title: Re: Local rugby clubs face losing 6N ticket allocations
Post by: Chipstead Quin on Friday 08-Feb-2019, 12:49
Given that Prem clubs get approx 200 tickets for the AIs and 6Ns, I'm surprised that clubs at level 9 get that many.  It's no wonder they get passed on to local sponsors who may not have any takers in their staff & so sell them on.

Fred , not sure how other Clubs operate , I normally get a list of people wanting tickets ( about 60) for each 6 Nations Home game , names are all put into a hat and drawn , people that tickets for the first game , don't go in the hat for the 2nd and so on  , usually everyone gets tickets for at least one game .
Title: Re: Local rugby clubs face losing 6N ticket allocations
Post by: Monte on Friday 08-Feb-2019, 14:58
According to Guardian Roslyn Park’s sponsors sold their tickets.  2 years ago I returned my tickets to my rugby club as I was unable to use tickets I had got in draw and was thanked as though it was unusual. It entirely depends what part of the country you are in as to who how many tickets clubs apply for. Sadly it is more and more part of the sponsors deals to give them the best tickets.
Title: Re: Local rugby clubs face losing 6N ticket allocations
Post by: Chipstead Quin on Friday 08-Feb-2019, 15:20
RFU monitor resales quite carefully and check resale sites daily and track them back  to the originator A couple of seasons ago someone from my Club put a photo of their ticket on Facebook to say they were pleased to be going and someone tried to sell it on Stub Hub just using the details from the photo .
Title: Re: Local rugby clubs face losing 6N ticket allocations
Post by: Brown Bottle on Friday 08-Feb-2019, 16:57
I'm sure the club allocation used to be related to the number of teams/players so Prem teams would get fewer tickets than larger local clubs who may run 7 senior and a few junior teams, for instance.
Title: Re: Local rugby clubs face losing 6N ticket allocations
Post by: Chipstead Quin on Friday 08-Feb-2019, 19:06
Correct BB - this is Nigel Melvilles new proposal


RFU INTERNATIONAL TICKET ALLOCATION
 
Dear CBs, Clubs,
 
Allocation of international tickets to the game
 
The RFU Council recently endorsed changes to the method for allocating tickets to England internationals at Twickenham, to various sections of the game. The new system will be introduced ahead of the 2020 Autumn Internationals, with clubs required to input data via the Team Management tool on GMS across the 2018/19 and 2019/20 seasons. The RFU will provide updated user guides and FAQs on the Team Management tool, in upcoming Community Game Updates.
 
Please note that the total number of tickets allocated to each section of the Game and the policy that at least 50% of the tickets for each match are available to the Game, remains unchanged.
 
From the 2020/21 season, changes are as follows:
 
RFU Voting Clubs
 
Every club receives an initial allocation of six tickets (currently it is two).
Each club with an aggregate total of 30 players or more at U13 and below correctly registered on GMS, will receive an additional two tickets.
All remaining tickets to be divided between voting clubs, based on the number of matches played by all teams (men and women, U14s to adult) of the club.

Title: Re: Local rugby clubs face losing 6N ticket allocations
Post by: Monte on Saturday 09-Feb-2019, 10:19
Yes but that is probably 50% of the total left after debentures which have increased to fund the rebuild. Many debentures moved from East Stand whichnis now massively corporate to west stand. A bit like Wimbledon, where of course Richie was before Twickenham, debentures or money up front and guaranteed for the venue is seen as the way forward for funding.
Title: Re: Local rugby clubs face losing 6N ticket allocations
Post by: SteveJ on Saturday 09-Feb-2019, 10:38
I get very frustrated when I cannot get tickets through the proper channels and then find them on the resale sites well over their face value.  I have my tickets for France and Italy from my local club, but I also go into ballots at Quins and England XV.  Have been quite lucky with tickets just recently, a lot poorer due to the high face value, £115 for France £88 for Italy.  But cannot for the love of me get Scotland tickets and won’t use viagogo where they have them at about £500 to £1200 per ticket. 
Title: Re: Local rugby clubs face losing 6N ticket allocations
Post by: Quicker Quin on Saturday 09-Feb-2019, 12:03
But cannot for the love of me get Scotland tickets and won’t use viagogo where they have them at about £500 to £1200 per ticket. 

And if everybody did the same, Viagogo would fold tomorrow!
Title: Re: Local rugby clubs face losing 6N ticket allocations
Post by: grimsbyquin on Saturday 09-Feb-2019, 12:27
my local rugby club had its allocation reduced and our club put on probation because someone got tempted by a tout ,which was reported.
Title: Re: Local rugby clubs face losing 6N ticket allocations
Post by: Chipstead Quin on Saturday 09-Feb-2019, 13:00
I get very frustrated when I cannot get tickets through the proper channels and then find them on the resale sites well over their face value.  I have my tickets for France and Italy from my local club, but I also go into ballots at Quins and England XV.  Have been quite lucky with tickets just recently, a lot poorer due to the high face value, £115 for France £88 for Italy.  But cannot for the love of me get Scotland tickets and won’t use viagogo where they have them at about £500 to £1200 per ticket. 

Steve , can I suggest that you ring the RFU Ticket Office in the week before the game ( not much point calling too far ahead ) ring them on 020 88316666  , quite often late returns , plus you can usually get a couple of single tickets in the same row or block . There were tickets available yesterday for the France game , but of course Calcutta Cup is very popular .
Title: Re: Local rugby clubs face losing 6N ticket allocations
Post by: SteveJ on Sunday 10-Feb-2019, 07:40
Thanks for the suggestions
Title: Re: Local rugby clubs face losing 6N ticket allocations
Post by: fatgat on Sunday 10-Feb-2019, 15:51
Steve , can I suggest that you ring the RFU Ticket Office in the week before the game ( not much point calling too far ahead ) ring them on 020 88316666  , quite often late returns , plus you can usually get a couple of single tickets in the same row or block . There were tickets available yesterday for the France game , but of course Calcutta Cup is very popular .


The RFU now put any returns directly to the website.  The phone number is likely to direct you to that. There are no Scotland tickets available at the moment, try after the Italy game.