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Rugby => ComeAllWithin Board => Topic started by: WellingQuin on Friday 22-Mar-2019, 12:00*
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SINCKLER AND MARLER START IN THE FRONT ROW FOR THE DERBY AT LONDON STADIUM
Kyle Sinckler starts for Harlequins against Saracens at the London Stadium on Saturday (Kick-off: 15:00). The Tighthead prop, who started every Six Nations match for England this year, is joined by Joe Marler in the front row and the pair are two of five changes to the starting XV that lined up against Gloucester Rugby in the last round of the Gallagher Premiership.
Danny Care has recovered from a rib injury and starts at Scrum-half with Marcus Smith at Fly-half, while Ben Tapuai returns to Inside Centre.
Head of Rugby Paul Gustard said: “We had an excellent contest against Saracens at The Stoop earlier this season and we were disappointed to lose that one.
“I have been delighted with the attitude and commitment the whole squad have shown in training this week to help prepare the 23 for the match. Playing Saracens is always a strong test of your ability, your desire, your patience and your ambition. I have no doubt the players are motivated and excited to represent the quarters this weekend and play with courage and skill as we always strive to do.”
Harlequins team to play Saracens (Harlequins appearances)
15. Mike Brown (314)
14. Nathan Earle (20)
13. Joe Marchant (77)
12. Ben Tapuai (15)
11. Ross Chisholm (98)
10. Marcus Smith (51)
9. Danny Care (257)
1. Joe Marler (188)
2. Elia Elia (31)
3. Kyle Sinckler (132)
4. Matt Symons (19)
5. James Horwill (Co-Captain, 62)
6. Jack Clifford (90)
7. Chris Robshaw (Co-Captain, 267)
8. Alex Dombrandt (17)
Game Changers
16. Dave Ward (164)
17. Lewis Boyce (33)
18. Will Collier (148)
19. George Merrick (96)
20. Renaldo Bothma (21)
21. Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (0)
22. Demetri Catrakilis (11)
23. Alofa Alofa (65)
Not considered for selection
Nick Auterac
Rob Buchanan
Henry Cheeseman
James Chisholm
Ben Glynn
Gabriel Ibitoye
Dino Lamb
Mark Lambert
Dave Lewis
Josh McNulty
Aaron Morris
Charlie Mulchrone
Cadan Murley
Calum Waters
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Interesting to see Cat on the bench ahead of Lang...
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Great to see Danny back. Almost our strongest team. Shame Chisholm is out again. Saili not even on the bench is odd. Got a real chance at an upset
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Like that line up, should have a real chance, pity about the venue so will watch on TV.
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Strong looking team. Only two differences I'd have liked would be seeing baby Chis involved, and not seeing older Chis starting.
If we could put out a team of that strength every week, we'd be challenging for honours I believe.
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When is Crumpton back?
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When is Crumpton back?
think this might be the last week of his ban.
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Goode at 10. There's the game right there. Win or lose depending on his performance.
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Saracens team to face Harlequins at London Stadium on Saturday 23rd March (KO 15H00):
FORWARDS:
Titi Lamositele (68)
Jamie George (211)
Vincent Koch (58)
Will Skelton (51)
Nick Isiekwe (55)
Jackson Wray (218)
Schalk Burger (70)
Billy Vunipola (96).
BACKS:
Liam Williams (24)
David Strettle (150)
Alex Lozowski (82)
Brad Barritt (240)
Sean Maitland (56)
Alex Goode (283)
Ben Spencer (148).
REPLACEMENTS: Tom Woolstencroft (17), Richard Barrington (161), Christian Judge (16), Joel Kpoku (8), Ben Earl (35), Henry Taylor (14), Max Malins (27), Nick Tompkins (91).
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Pretty strong team but other than Earle, wing is looking a weakness at the moment. Shame both Murley & ibbitoye are out at the same time.
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Looking at both line-ups for the game it does look like Quins have a decent chance in this one, target the gap between Goode and Barritt with some quick offloads.
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Good to see Henry Taylor again. Had loads of potential and I was sorry to see him go.
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Good to see Henry Taylor again. Had loads of potential and I was sorry to see him go.
Apparently joining Saints next season
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We should have the edge up front with those starters , but the threats are plain to see in their back line ..looking forward to this , I really feel we have a chance if we play like we have been( apart from last time out !)
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Don’t think Sarries are prioritising so let’s hope we want it more
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Weird interview from Mark McCall in the BBC match preview: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/47627305
"It's a neutral venue in many ways as Wembley had become a bit of a second home for us.
"If you're asking the coach, you probably want to play at Allianz Park in a game like this one but the players enjoy something different.
"It is an iconic stadium but for us we still have a job to do, and having ceded home advantage it is important we put our best foot forward.
"Quins have been really strong since Christmas and they have belief now. They will be very motivated because they are close to us in the table, and we have one eye on Glasgow [in the European Champions Cup] the week after."
Getting his excuses in! Haven't seen a DOR talk like that prior to a game though. Usually it's all "we're fully focused on this week and haven't even thought about Glasgow" etc...
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Really happy with the team. Danny Care's return is an absolute blessing. Very happy with Marler, Sinckler and Smith in the starting line up too, of course!
I think we have a good chance tomorrow. The key thing is to start well (as we have done in 2019) and get some points on the board early. That was what cost us in the game against Glaws; we didn't score from a couple of good opportunities.
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Predicting and rare draw, but hoping for a win. COYQ!!
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2 bp points (high scoring defeat by 7 or less) would not be the end of the world if other results go our way.
Tigers beat Saints
Gloucs beat Wasps
Falcons beat Sale
Cheifs beat Bath
We would slip to 4th but still be 9/10/11 points clear of the 5th placed side with another game gone
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2 bp points (high scoring defeat by 7 or less) would not be the end of the world if other results go our way.
Saints leading Tigers 20-3 at h/t so lets not count on results going our way.
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Sad to say that even this would not tempt me:
Message from Quinssa
Free tickets - Saracens vs Quins
Courtesy of members who are now unable to attend the game at the London Stadium tomorrow, we have 4 tickets (all together) available looking for a good home.
There is no charge for the tickets
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Sad to say that even this would not tempt me:
Message from Quinssa
Free tickets - Saracens vs Quins
Courtesy of members who are now unable to attend the game at the London Stadium tomorrow, we have 4 tickets (all together) available looking for a good home.
There is no charge for the tickets
could try paying us but I don’t think even £50 would do it!
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Can’t stand the “ Sarries big game “ much rather go to Allianz
But tbh I think that’s one of the reasons they always want Quins as many just got bored/disliked and don’t bother going
Last time we played them at Allianz we out shouted their home support, it’s also one of the reasons they don’t like to give a big Quins seating allocation, last time I went to Wembley we where all over the place
As for today just hope the Gloucester game was a real wake up call or it’s going to be a miserable day
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For anyone not near a TV and who doesn't want to jump through all the stupid hoops trying to watch something on Channel 5's website, you should be able to watch it here - https://tvcatchup.com/
I'm not even sure if it'a available on Channel 5's own website anyway, looks like it may be TV only.
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10 mins to kick-off ... loads of empty seats 💺
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Be handy if the commentators on channel 5 could get the players name right
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If I were a Sarries fan, I’d be very upset with how JP Doyle is refereeing the breakdown. On the other hand, a couple of the penalties against Quins have been pretty harsh.
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Id take 3-0
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Saracens look seriously out of sorts. Will they get the hairdryer treatment at half time, or is this just not being prioritised?
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Just wondering how long Sarries get when the ball is at the back of the ruck...
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Well, that was embarrassing for Saracens. Try.
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Id take 3-0
How about 10-0?
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Was in the middle of writing something along the lines of 'how did we not score there' and I look up to see Smith running in for a try
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Getting a bit bemused by the refereeing. Symons is penalised for diving on the ball in the ruck... but we had just counter-rucked past the ball, so he’s allowed to dive on it. Come on, sir, wake up!
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Giving away too many pens
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Marchant off injured which is worrying as he I think has been key this year
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Oh dear Symons in the bin. Going to be a tough 10 min
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Hopefully not too serious but, I wouldn't mind seeing Salli and Tapuai playing together
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Not clever by Symons for the card.
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Brilliant try by Care.
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HA HA, Cheers Al
I thought Symons done well. Rather 3 than 7.
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Costly mistake by Sarries - not just seven points, but about 5 minutes off the sin bin clock as well.
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Nice of BT Sport to replay it to demonstrate that the clock was 39:59 when the ball went out.
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Good game so far, great close of the half and minerals from Danny Care! Thank you Channel 5! Big 2nd half shift from the Quins lads and a win please 🤞🏽
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Credit to Chisholm Sr for creating the space for Care to score.
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Need to stop giving away daft penalties because Sarries will surely improve in the 2nd half.
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Oh JP. Get out of the way.
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Clearly JP was in the way - no way anyone could argue otherwise.
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Is Billy allowed to run into the referee anyway? Looks like that's allowed.
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Well, that was coming. But a net 3 points from a YC period against Sarries is an OK outcome. Quins need to cut down the penalty count, though.
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Penalty count is getting ever higher
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Our penalties are getting dumb and obvious.
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Great combination from Clifford and Robshaw to win the penalty.
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Difference in the LO. We throw a rank one, Sarries break. Sarries hit their man and look dangerous
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Saracens have upped their tempo. We need this game out of our half.
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Danny Care’s kicking is terrible
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Makes no sense. DC starts it, penalty to Sarries. Williams retaliation, penalty reversed?
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Pens killing us here
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That's twice there is a question over the second player bound to the Saracens scorer. Plenty to moan about for both sides.
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Barrett off. Good news for Quins
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Time for Quins to step up.
Bothma is either going to turn the game our way or get carded.
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Id take a draw
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Someone tell Billy that laughing while doing it doesn't make the niggle less serious.
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Grow up Strettle. Saracens fans will go on about our niggle but both teams are taking it too far.
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Find it quite funny tbh.
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Effing line out again
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Gotta feel for Earle there
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Two tries have come for them from us ballsing up our line out earlier
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"Skelton stretching Sarries lead" according to the BT commentary.
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Effing line out again
Don’t worry Ward is on
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Brown starting to do that "I have to sort this" thing that leads to problems.
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Id take a lbp now
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Ward - aaarrrggghhh!
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Sweet jesus, another LO. Costs us 14 points and now decent position
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Wardy hasn’t lost his touch🙁
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Our new signings are about the quality of the bench...
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One day, Quins will have a hooker that's rock solid in the lineout and not made of class. I've only been waiting 20 odd years.
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If Baldwin can throw he is a VAST improvement
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Ward
Crap throw - CHECK
Usual dumb pen - CHECK
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And now he’s managed to give away a pen on their line out.
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So, when do we blow the LBP?
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I think that we've run out of ideas.
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Plenty of time yet....
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Time yes, ideas no.
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to lose the bp
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Ward you total idiot!
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Ward again
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If we could concentrate for more than a half we’d be dangerous. Another mindless Dave Ward penalty to bin the LBP.
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Since coming on Ward has been awful
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Aargh Ward again. Second dumb pen.
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Ward is saracens best player at the moment.
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O-M-Goode lol nice try fella, trying to snatch the losing bonus point off us
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Crumpton back soon thankfully
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Thank god for that
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Hope Ward is suitably grateful for that kick
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Don’t worry I’m assured on here a top 4 is a done deal
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Why on earth do we lose lineouts when Doyle is clearly not bothered about throwing in straight. Just throw it to our side. Second half capitulation
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19 penalties!!!!
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Amazed we came away with anything. Terrible second half.
We would have been better off without a hooker than ward actually playing.
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Well we got a point despite giving away 19 penalties, but the 2nd half was dreadful.
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"Use it please"... 8 seconds later the scrum half decides to actually do so...
Refs really need to enforce that particular law.
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We are still in a great position for top 4. Wasps lost without taking any points. they are 12 behind us now with 5 left. Saints 8 with 5 left to play. Bath got Chiefs tomorrow. The tricky one is Sale vs Newcastle later. Falcons could really help us out. I would rather be in our position than the teams chasing us.
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Christ what a depressingly familiar and pathetic performance for much of that second half.
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It's clear that we lack a bit of quality from the bench. Hopefully the new signings will improve things next season. Wardy was Def a game changer.
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Was interesting watching Ward come on and immediately set about as best as he could ensuring we wouldn't win or even get a losing bonus point. Thank goodness for Goode's abysmal pen.
Thought JP Doyle was utterly spineless at the end. "Use it. Use it. Ben. Ben. Use it Ben". Blow up if he's not using it. Amazing how scrum halves can get away with this.
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We are still in a great position for top 4. Wasps lost without taking any points. they are 12 behind us now with 5 left. Saints 8 with 5 left to play. Bath got Chiefs tomorrow. The tricky one is Sale vs Newcastle later. Falcons could really help us out. I would rather be in our position than the teams chasing us.
Top 4 will just result in another spineless effort away from home.
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One way to look at it, Sarries would have beaten most sides today, I am sure of that. We were crap second half and yet still got a LBP. Two of their tries came originally from us not being able to hit a barn door at LO time.
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We are still in a great position for top 4. Wasps lost without taking any points. they are 12 behind us now with 5 left. Saints 8 with 5 left to play. Bath got Chiefs tomorrow. The tricky one is Sale vs Newcastle later. Falcons could really help us out. I would rather be in our position than the teams chasing us.
Still have Saints at home and Wasps away, those games could be huge
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One way to look at it, Sarries would have beaten most sides today, I am sure of that. We were crap second half and yet still got a LBP. Two of their tries came originally from us not being able to hit a barn door at LO time.
Hopefully Baldwin coming will improve the lineout.
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Top 4 will just result in another spineless effort away from home.
Quite possibly, but I am sure we would have taken top 4 at the start of the season?? And hey, one off game, who knows
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When is Crumpton coming back? our line out was a shambles all game
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Teams have to take more advantage of Saracens' poor first halves. They rarely continue into the second half.
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Apart from our lack of discipline, we showed little or no plan to break through their defence for most of the game, like the bad old days. We need to fix players before we pass, we need more players running lines. I thought, again, Brown showed some of the best attacking, he is playing his best rugby this season. But sadly we need much, much more if we are to compete for silver
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Id probably have taken an LBP before kick off. Frustrating that we made so many unforced errors throughout a dire second half. Dave’s mindless penalties capped it off. Still, hopefully Falcons will be fired up against Newcastle!
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Quite possibly, but I am sure we would have taken top 4 at the start of the season?? And hey, one off game, who knows
I would have taken top 6 at the start of the season to be honest
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Hmm, replay of the Care/Williams incident. Not enough being made of Williams' forearm to Care's neck.
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Hmm, replay of the Care/Williams incident. Not enough being made of Williams' forearm to Care's neck.
Agreed. Both definitely indulged in foul play but Williams elbow to the throat was particularly over the top.
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Obviously would have preferred a win or draw there but it was a Herculean bit of riding our luck to come away with a LBP. Two disallowed tries for Sarries, Goode's missed pen and our LO back to its 2016/17 worst.....I'll take it.
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Hmm, replay of the Care/Williams incident. Not enough being made of Williams' forearm to Care's neck.
It's actually something the touch judge mentioned to JP Doyle immediately after the incident, but nothing more was said about it thereafter.
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It's clear that we lack a bit of quality from the bench. Hopefully the new signings will improve things next season. Wardy was Def a game changer.
😂 you got that right, game changer in a negative way
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At least one positive is we've gone from starting **** and finishing well, to turning it on its head, and starting well, and bottling things.
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Agreed. Both definitely indulged in foul play but Williams elbow to the throat was particularly over the top.
Williams is over the top in general. Great player but ugly attitude on the pitch towards the opposition in most games IMO. A right jerk chicken if you ask me
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Williams is over the top in general. Great player but ugly attitude on the pitch towards the opposition in most games IMO. A right jerk chicken if you ask me
Imagine the reaction had that been Mike Brown
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After the Glos debacle a lbp is an ok return and if we make top 4 at the end that is a damn fine outcome after just one season of Gussie’s reign.
Yes penalty count awful but fixable and Ward is on his bike.
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Imagine the reaction had that been Mike Brown
Agreed. But Liam Williams isn’t English so gets more of a free pass on stuff like that in the eyes of the media. *joke before anyone gets upset*
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I would have taken top 6 at the start of the season to be honest
So would I, but it doesn't make these awful performances any more palatable.
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So would I, but it doesn't make these awful performances any more palatable.
I know, I am not saying it does and is certainly frustrating that the leaps forward so far seem to have a few backward steps now. Couple of big games coming up to cement a top four spot.
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Not too long ago we won away at Bath. I think so early into a new "Project" you are going to get these type of games where things go wrong and players revert back to "Bad" type. I am very happy with this season and I also think we will be ok in making the top 4. 2 bad results, a few brilliant ones before that.
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Thrashed by Glaws at home followed by a bonus point away at Sarries. See-Saw Season.
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Imagine the reaction had that been Mike Brown
Yeah, he’s lucky it wasn’t Brown.
Anyone remember Brown squaring up to and owning Michael Hooper during RWC2015 after a dodgy clean out? Too funny
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Still, hopefully Falcons will be fired up against Newcastle!
Falcons v Newcastle?
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Falcons v Newcastle?
Yes, brain fart there. I meant Sale!
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We were 2 tries up at half time and lost the plot second half giving stupid penalties away and Dave Ward less said...
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Hmm, replay of the Care/Williams incident. Not enough being made of Williams' forearm to Care's neck.
I still don't understand why Sarries got the penalty simply because Care apparently started it. Retaliation normally sees the penalty reversed.
I think there may be a citing or two after this game. Just a feeling, before anyone gets antsy and demands chapter and verse.
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No matter what we’ve improve so much this season. A lbp in todays game is a right result. Of course it would nice to win but lets be honest we were in top gat while Sarries were in third. Momentum is changing though. We’ll be top four this season. A few more signings to come and we’ll be top 2. COYQ
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I still don't understand why Sarries got the penalty simply because Care apparently started it. Retaliation normally sees the penalty reversed.
I think there may be a citing or two after this game. Just a feeling, before anyone gets antsy and demands chapter and verse.
It was a poor bit of reasoning. Liam Williams got shoved out of the ruck area, then illegally took out Care, before jamming the arm in his throat.
Thought Sarries were very unlucky with the Vunipola try being chalked off, but then JP gave them about 3 hours to release 2 phases earlier when Dombrandt was all over the ball. There were several really dumb penalties we gave away, and some baffling decisions by JP - can anyone explain the penatly against Earle for not rolling away when 1) someone had immediately dived on top of him and 2) the ball was BEHIND him on the Saracens side anyway?!
I'd be angrier if our own ill discipline wasn't such a problem. Gosh we gave away some stupid penalties. And the subs largely did themselves no favours. Alofa is no Marchant, Boyce is certainly no Marler, and Ward is no rugby player.
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Takes a brave man to watch that on delay. :)
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The Gloucester game and the rubbish served up today has shown what a useless DOR gustard is, he is making jk look good at the moment and his signings for next season will make us struggle not to finish bottom next season, all my predictions of finishing top 4 have gone out of the window because the smug arrogant twit can’t pick a team to beat a basically second string sarries side, believe me that his own self indulgence will keep our great club struggling
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The Gloucester game and the rubbish served up today has shown what a useless DOR gustard is, he is making jk look good at the moment and his signings for next season will make us struggle not to finish bottom next season, all my predictions of finishing top 4 have gone out of the window because the smug arrogant twit can’t pick a team to beat a basically second string sarries side, believe me that his own self indulgence will keep our great club struggling
You have developed a lot of issues recently.
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Nothing wrong with all day drinking.
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Yes I have because I can see that because of what’s happening in the camp is making us fall apart due to gustards obnoxious arrogance
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Crumpton back soon thankfully
Crumpton was back this week, just not selected.
Silly choice by coaches
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It was a poor bit of reasoning. Liam Williams got shoved out of the ruck area, then illegally took out Care, before jamming the arm in his throat.
Thought Sarries were very unlucky with the Vunipola try being chalked off, but then JP gave them about 3 hours to release 2 phases earlier when Dombrandt was all over the ball. There were several really dumb penalties we gave away, and some baffling decisions by JP - can anyone explain the penatly against Earle for not rolling away when 1) someone had immediately dived on top of him and 2) the ball was BEHIND him on the Saracens side anyway?!
I'd be angrier if our own ill discipline wasn't such a problem. Gosh we gave away some stupid penalties. And the subs largely did themselves no favours. Alofa is no Marchant, Boyce is certainly no Marler, and Ward is no rugby player.
Exactly. Care shoves Williams away from the ruck - I think he was offside anyway. Williams then dives at Care, taking him out, and shoves an elbow into him after Care pulls him down.
Penalty Sarries. No sanction for the fact that it was retaliation.
And the next time Doyle shouts "Use it" at a ruck, I'll go and put the kettle on.
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Yes I have because I can see that because of what’s happening in the camp is making us fall apart due to gustards obnoxious arrogance
Obnoxious arrogance? Care to cite some examples? 4th at this stage of the season suggests some things are going reasonably well vs last year and that PG isn’t doing everything wrong.
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Arniepie, I am guessing from your spot on info that you have an ear to the squad/club some how. Can you elaborate on the PG comments?? Is all not well on the good ship Quins??
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Crumpton was back this week, just not selected.
Silly choice by coaches
Criminal rather than silly.
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That is a bad move unless Crumpton is injured. Our best Hooker
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Or not fit enough to play but not last the full 80 if required.
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The Gloucester game and the rubbish served up today has shown what a useless DOR gustard is, he is making jk look good at the moment and his signings for next season will make us struggle not to finish bottom next season, all my predictions of finishing top 4 have gone out of the window because the smug arrogant twit can’t pick a team to beat a basically second string sarries side, believe me that his own self indulgence will keep our great club struggling
Sorry arniepie, but I absolutely disagree with most of this post.
A good chunk of the signings we’ve made are exactly what we need to win these kind of games. For example, Baldwin and Lewies will improve our lineout (which will be a major boost) and Campagnaro would either have started instead of Chisholm or come on for Marchant instead of Alofa.
I don’t know how you’d class that as a ‘second string Sarries side’ either? OK, Farrell and Kruis we’re rested and Itoje is injured, but beyond that, it was pretty much their first choice lineup full of international players.
We had a poor second half, but we were fairly good in the first and came out of a game I didn’t expect us to win with a losing BP. It could have been a lot worse.
I don’t think we can compare Gustard and Kingston at all. Very odd indeed.
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I thought first half we were pretty comfortable tbh, good lead going in to HT. Second half the momentum changed and we could not get a hold of it. Skelton and Billy V caused us plenty of problems but we held firm for the most part. One major problem for us was not being able to protect the ball. LOs were a weapon for Sarries to turn us over and how many times did we lose it forward?? You cant give up that much ball, let alone against one of the best sides in Europe. Add to that the poor discipline and I am actually amazed we did not lose by more. Bad performance - yes, bad result - not so much so, would have taken that before the game, end of the world - def not. Would not swap our place with any of those below us
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I’m assuming there’s been a falling out between ArniePie and the management of similar - coz that’s quite a turnaround in online personality (whereas I always make sure to annoy everyone)
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Oh well at least we got the LBP which is more than Bath managed today.
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Yep, Increased our lead over Bath and Wasps by a point. Parity with Sale and only Saints gained any ground (Still 8 behind).
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Yep, Increased our lead over Bath and Wasps by a point. Parity with Sale and only Saints gained any ground (Still 8 behind).
I must admit Saints are my biggest worry as they seem on a roll at the moment
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They have the toughest run in. If I was looking at a team to catch us, Sale seem the most dangerous to me with their run in. We will be okay though
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And the subs largely did themselves no favours. Alofa is no Marchant, Boyce is certainly no Marler, and Ward is no rugby player.
I agree Alofa isn’t a patch on Marchant, but thought he played as well as I’ve seen him yesterday. Boyce coughed up posession in the tackle at least twice, and less said about Ward the better.
I missed Marchant’s substitution, anyone know what his injury was? He would be a huge loss if out for a few games.
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I agree Alofa isn’t a patch on Marchant, but thought he played as well as I’ve seen him yesterday. Boyce coughed up posession in the tackle at least twice, and less said about Ward the better.
I missed Marchant’s substitution, anyone know what his injury was? He would be a huge loss if out for a few games.
I think it happened when he was challenging for a high ball, looked like knee or ankle. Hope it's not serious. Wouldn't want to lose him at this point in the season
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Looked like a hamstring. I wouldn't mind seeing Salli and Tapuai together. Thinking about it, we could have done with Lasikes bulk and running yesterday.
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Looked like a hamstring. I wouldn't mind seeing Salli and Tapuai together. Thinking about it, we could have done with Lasikes bulk and running yesterday.
But probably not his inability to tackle without giving away a penalty.....mind you would we have spotted one or two more penalities?