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Title: Team vs Saracens
Post by: WellingQuin on Friday 22-Mar-2019, 12:00
SINCKLER AND MARLER START IN THE FRONT ROW FOR THE DERBY AT LONDON STADIUM

Kyle Sinckler starts for Harlequins against Saracens at the London Stadium on Saturday (Kick-off: 15:00). The Tighthead prop, who started every Six Nations match for England this year, is joined by Joe Marler in the front row and the pair are two of five changes to the starting XV that lined up against Gloucester Rugby in the last round of the Gallagher Premiership.

Danny Care has recovered from a rib injury and starts at Scrum-half with Marcus Smith at Fly-half, while Ben Tapuai returns to Inside Centre.

Head of Rugby Paul Gustard said: ďWe had an excellent contest against Saracens at The Stoop earlier this season and we were disappointed to lose that one.

ďI have been delighted with the attitude and commitment the whole squad have shown in training this week to help prepare the 23 for the match. Playing Saracens is always a strong test of your ability, your desire, your patience and your ambition. I have no doubt the players are motivated and excited to represent the quarters this weekend and play with courage and skill as we always strive to do.Ē

Harlequins team to play Saracens (Harlequins appearances)
15. Mike Brown (314)
14. Nathan Earle (20)
13. Joe Marchant (77)
12. Ben Tapuai (15)
11. Ross Chisholm (98)
10. Marcus Smith (51)
9. Danny Care (257)

1. Joe Marler (188)
2. Elia Elia (31)
3. Kyle Sinckler (132)
4. Matt Symons (19)
5. James Horwill (Co-Captain, 62)
6. Jack Clifford (90)
7. Chris Robshaw (Co-Captain, 267)
8. Alex Dombrandt (17)

Game Changers

16. Dave Ward (164)
17. Lewis Boyce (33)
18. Will Collier (148)
19. George Merrick (96)
20. Renaldo Bothma (21)
21. Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (0)
22. Demetri Catrakilis (11)
23. Alofa Alofa (65)

Not considered for selection

Nick Auterac
Rob Buchanan
Henry Cheeseman
James Chisholm
Ben Glynn
Gabriel Ibitoye
Dino Lamb
Mark Lambert
Dave Lewis
Josh McNulty
Aaron Morris
Charlie Mulchrone
Cadan Murley
Calum Waters
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Fearless Fred on Friday 22-Mar-2019, 12:03
Interesting to see Cat on the bench ahead of Lang...
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: T-Bone on Friday 22-Mar-2019, 12:06
Great to see Danny back. Almost our strongest team. Shame Chisholm is out again. Saili not even on the bench is odd. Got a real chance at an upset
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: BedfordshireBoy on Friday 22-Mar-2019, 12:07
Like that line up, should have a real chance, pity about the venue so will watch on TV.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Quinky on Friday 22-Mar-2019, 12:08
Strong looking team. Only two differences I'd have liked would be seeing baby Chis involved, and not seeing older Chis starting.
If we could put out a team of that strength every week, we'd be challenging for honours I believe.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: RodneyRegis on Friday 22-Mar-2019, 12:09
When is Crumpton back?
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Now ex-Navyquin on Friday 22-Mar-2019, 12:14
When is Crumpton back?


think this might be the last week of his ban.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: RodneyRegis on Friday 22-Mar-2019, 12:16
Goode at 10. There's the game right there. Win or lose depending on his performance.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: WellingQuin on Friday 22-Mar-2019, 12:17
Saracens team to face Harlequins at London Stadium on Saturday 23rd March (KO 15H00):

FORWARDS:
Titi Lamositele (68)
Jamie George (211)
Vincent Koch (58)
Will Skelton (51)
Nick Isiekwe (55)
Jackson Wray (218)
Schalk Burger (70)
Billy Vunipola (96).

BACKS:
Liam Williams (24)
David Strettle (150)
Alex Lozowski (82)
Brad Barritt (240)
Sean Maitland (56)
Alex Goode (283)
Ben Spencer (148).

REPLACEMENTS: Tom Woolstencroft (17), Richard Barrington (161), Christian Judge (16), Joel Kpoku (8), Ben Earl (35), Henry Taylor (14), Max Malins (27), Nick Tompkins (91).
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Guildford Quin on Friday 22-Mar-2019, 12:19
Pretty strong team but other than Earle, wing is looking a weakness at the moment. Shame both Murley & ibbitoye are out at the same time.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Now ex-Navyquin on Friday 22-Mar-2019, 12:19
Looking at both line-ups for the game it does look like Quins have a decent chance in this one, target the gap between Goode and Barritt with some quick offloads.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Stoopendous on Friday 22-Mar-2019, 12:21
Good to see Henry Taylor again.  Had loads of potential and I was sorry to see him go.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: honkytonk on Friday 22-Mar-2019, 12:25
Good to see Henry Taylor again.  Had loads of potential and I was sorry to see him go.

Apparently joining Saints next season
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Chipstead Quin on Friday 22-Mar-2019, 12:30
We should have the edge up front with those starters , but the threats are plain to see in their back line ..looking forward to this , I really feel we have a chance if we play like we have been( apart from last time out !)
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Monte on Friday 22-Mar-2019, 13:32
Donít think Sarries are prioritising so letís hope we want it more
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: TomBuckQuin on Friday 22-Mar-2019, 13:46
Weird interview from Mark McCall in the BBC match preview: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/47627305

Quote
"It's a neutral venue in many ways as Wembley had become a bit of a second home for us.

"If you're asking the coach, you probably want to play at Allianz Park in a game like this one but the players enjoy something different.

"It is an iconic stadium but for us we still have a job to do, and having ceded home advantage it is important we put our best foot forward.

"Quins have been really strong since Christmas and they have belief now. They will be very motivated because they are close to us in the table, and we have one eye on Glasgow [in the European Champions Cup] the week after."

Getting his excuses in! Haven't seen a DOR talk like that prior to a game though. Usually it's all "we're fully focused on this week and haven't even thought about Glasgow" etc...
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Comet on Friday 22-Mar-2019, 17:05
Really happy with the team. Danny Care's return is an absolute blessing. Very happy with Marler, Sinckler and Smith in the starting line up too, of course!

I think we have a good chance tomorrow. The key thing is to start well (as we have done in 2019) and get some points on the board early. That was what cost us in the game against Glaws; we didn't score from a couple of good opportunities.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Everyoneís a Quinner on Friday 22-Mar-2019, 18:56
Predicting and rare draw, but hoping for a win. COYQ!!
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: honkytonk on Friday 22-Mar-2019, 19:21
2 bp points (high scoring defeat by 7 or less) would not be the end of the world if other results go our way.

Tigers beat Saints
Gloucs beat Wasps
Falcons beat Sale
Cheifs beat Bath

We would slip to 4th but still be 9/10/11 points clear of the 5th placed side with another game gone
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: QuinKent on Friday 22-Mar-2019, 20:49
2 bp points (high scoring defeat by 7 or less) would not be the end of the world if other results go our way.

Saints leading Tigers 20-3 at h/t so lets not count on results going our way.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: BedfordshireBoy on Friday 22-Mar-2019, 22:11
Sad to say that even this would not tempt me:

Message from Quinssa

Free tickets - Saracens vs Quins

Courtesy of members who are now unable to attend the game at the London Stadium tomorrow, we have 4 tickets (all together) available looking for a good home.

There is no charge for the tickets
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Monte on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 09:34
Sad to say that even this would not tempt me:

Message from Quinssa

Free tickets - Saracens vs Quins

Courtesy of members who are now unable to attend the game at the London Stadium tomorrow, we have 4 tickets (all together) available looking for a good home.

There is no charge for the tickets
could try paying us but I donít think even £50 would do it!
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: SiB on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 09:42
Canít stand the ď Sarries big game ď much rather go to Allianz
But tbh I think thatís one of the reasons they always want Quins as many just got bored/disliked and donít bother going
Last time we played them at Allianz we out shouted their home support, itís also one of the reasons they donít like to give a big Quins seating allocation, last time I went to Wembley we where all over the place

As for today just hope the Gloucester game was a real wake up call or itís going to be a miserable day
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Quinten Poulsen on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 14:18
For anyone not near a TV and who doesn't want to jump through all the stupid hoops trying to watch something on Channel 5's website, you should be able to watch it here - https://tvcatchup.com/

I'm not even sure if it'a available on Channel 5's own website anyway, looks like it may be TV only.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: baggie on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 14:54
10 mins to kick-off ... loads of empty seats 💺
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Tonbridge Quin on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 15:23
Be handy if the commentators on channel 5 could get the players name right
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: poorfour on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 15:28
If I were a Sarries fan, Iíd be very upset with how JP Doyle is refereeing the breakdown. On the other hand, a couple of the penalties against Quins have been pretty harsh.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: honkytonk on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 15:35
Id take 3-0
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: raedarius on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 15:36
Saracens look seriously out of sorts.  Will they get the hairdryer treatment at half time, or is this just not being prioritised?
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Quinky on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 15:37
Just wondering how long Sarries get when the ball is at the back of the ruck...
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: raedarius on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 15:38
Well, that was embarrassing for Saracens.  Try.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: poorfour on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 15:38
Id take 3-0

How about 10-0?
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Hargreaves on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 15:41
Was in the middle of writing something along the lines of 'how did we not score there' and I look up to see Smith running in for a try
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: poorfour on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 15:42
Getting a bit bemused by the refereeing. Symons is penalised for diving on the ball in the ruck... but we had just counter-rucked past the ball, so heís allowed to dive on it. Come on, sir, wake up!
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: honkytonk on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 15:47
Giving away too many pens
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Tonbridge Quin on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 15:48
Marchant off injured which is worrying as he I think has been key this year
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Tonbridge Quin on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 15:48
Oh dear Symons in the bin. Going to be a tough 10 min
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: honkytonk on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 15:49
Hopefully not too serious but, I wouldn't mind seeing Salli and Tapuai playing together
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: raedarius on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 15:50
Not clever by Symons for the card.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: raedarius on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 15:51
Brilliant try by Care.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: honkytonk on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 15:51
HA HA, Cheers Al

I thought Symons done well. Rather 3 than 7.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: poorfour on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 15:53
Costly mistake by Sarries - not just seven points, but about 5 minutes off the sin bin clock as well.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: raedarius on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 15:55
Nice of BT Sport to replay it to demonstrate that the clock was 39:59 when the ball went out.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Everyoneís a Quinner on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 15:59
Good game so far, great close of the half and minerals from Danny Care! Thank you Channel 5! Big 2nd half shift from the Quins lads and a win please 🤞🏽
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: raedarius on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:01
Credit to Chisholm Sr for creating the space for Care to score.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Fursty on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:07
Need to stop giving away daft penalties because Sarries will surely improve in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: raedarius on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:10
Oh JP.  Get out of the way.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Fursty on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:12
Clearly JP was in the way - no way anyone could argue otherwise.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: raedarius on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:13
Is Billy allowed to run into the referee anyway? Looks like that's allowed.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: poorfour on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:18
Well, that was coming. But a net 3 points from a YC period against Sarries is an OK outcome. Quins need to cut down the penalty count, though.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: WellingQuin on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:21
Penalty count is getting ever higher
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: raedarius on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:21
Our penalties are getting dumb and obvious.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: poorfour on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:22
Great combination from Clifford and Robshaw to win the penalty.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: honkytonk on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:22
Difference in the LO.  We throw a rank one, Sarries break.  Sarries hit their man and look dangerous
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: raedarius on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:24
Saracens have upped their tempo.  We need this game out of our half.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Quintron on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:26
Danny Careís kicking is terrible
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Quinky on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:32
Makes no sense. DC starts it, penalty to Sarries. Williams retaliation, penalty reversed?
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: honkytonk on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:35
Pens killing us here
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: raedarius on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:35
That's twice there is a question over the second player bound to the Saracens scorer.  Plenty to moan about for both sides.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Matt72 on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:36
Barrett off. Good news for Quins
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Fursty on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:37
Time for Quins to step up.

Bothma is either going to turn the game our way or get carded.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: honkytonk on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:39
Id take a draw
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: raedarius on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:41
Someone tell Billy that laughing while doing it doesn't make the niggle less serious.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: raedarius on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:43
Grow up Strettle.  Saracens fans will go on about our niggle but both teams are taking it too far.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: honkytonk on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:44
Find it quite funny tbh. 
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: honkytonk on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:44
Effing line out again
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Everyoneís a Quinner on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:47
Gotta feel for Earle there
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: honkytonk on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:47
Two tries have come for them from us ballsing up our line out earlier
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: raedarius on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:48
"Skelton stretching Sarries lead" according to the BT commentary.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Fursty on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:48
Effing line out again

Donít worry Ward is on
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: raedarius on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:50
Brown starting to do that "I have to sort this" thing that leads to problems.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: honkytonk on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:51
Id take a lbp now
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: raedarius on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:53
Ward - aaarrrggghhh!
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: honkytonk on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:53
Sweet jesus, another LO.  Costs us 14 points and now decent position
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Grubs on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:54
Wardy hasnít lost his touch🙁
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: raedarius on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:55
Our new signings are about the quality of the bench...
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Battering Ram Winger on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:56
One day, Quins will have a hooker that's rock solid in the lineout and not made of class. I've only been waiting 20 odd years.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: honkytonk on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:56
If Baldwin can throw he is a VAST improvement
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: honkytonk on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:58
Ward

Crap throw - CHECK
Usual dumb pen - CHECK
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Grubs on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:58
And now heís managed to give away a pen on their line out.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Battering Ram Winger on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:58
So, when do we blow the LBP?
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: raedarius on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 16:59
I think that we've run out of ideas.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Grubs on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:00
Plenty of time yet....
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: raedarius on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:00
Time yes, ideas no.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: honkytonk on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:01
to lose the bp
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: raedarius on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:01
Ward you total idiot!
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: honkytonk on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:01
Ward again
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: A222Quin on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:01
If we could concentrate for more than a half weíd be dangerous. Another mindless Dave Ward penalty to bin the LBP.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: WellingQuin on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:01
Since coming on Ward has been awful
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Grubs on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:01
Aargh Ward again. Second dumb pen.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: QuinKent on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:02
Ward is saracens best player at the moment.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Everyoneís a Quinner on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:02
O-M-Goode lol nice try fella, trying to snatch the losing bonus point off us
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Now ex-Navyquin on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:02
Crumpton back soon thankfully
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: honkytonk on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:03
Thank god for that
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Grubs on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:03
Hope Ward is suitably grateful for that kick
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Quins Head on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:03
Donít worry Iím assured on here a top 4 is a done deal
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: T-Bone on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:04
Why on earth do we lose lineouts when Doyle is clearly not bothered about throwing in straight. Just throw it to our side. Second half capitulation
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Grubs on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:04
19 penalties!!!!
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: WellingQuin on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:05
Amazed we came away with anything. Terrible second half.
We would have been better off without a hooker than ward actually playing.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Fursty on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:05
Well we got a point despite giving away 19 penalties, but the 2nd half was dreadful.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Quinky on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:06
"Use it please"... 8 seconds later the scrum half decides to actually do so...

Refs really need to enforce that particular law.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: honkytonk on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:08
We are still in a great position for top 4.  Wasps lost without taking any points.  they are 12 behind us now with 5 left.  Saints 8 with 5 left to play.  Bath got Chiefs tomorrow.  The tricky one is Sale vs Newcastle  later.  Falcons could really help us out.  I would rather be in our position than the teams chasing us.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Quinten Poulsen on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:08
Christ what a depressingly familiar and pathetic performance for much of that second half.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Le Tiss on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:08
It's clear that we lack a bit of quality from the bench. Hopefully the new signings will improve things next season. Wardy was Def a game changer.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: ACQuins on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:09
Was interesting watching Ward come on and immediately set about as best as he could ensuring we wouldn't win or even get a losing bonus point. Thank goodness for Goode's abysmal pen.

Thought JP Doyle was utterly spineless at the end. "Use it. Use it. Ben. Ben. Use it Ben". Blow up if he's not using it. Amazing how scrum halves can get away with this.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Quinten Poulsen on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:09
We are still in a great position for top 4.  Wasps lost without taking any points.  they are 12 behind us now with 5 left.  Saints 8 with 5 left to play.  Bath got Chiefs tomorrow.  The tricky one is Sale vs Newcastle  later.  Falcons could really help us out.  I would rather be in our position than the teams chasing us.

Top 4 will just result in another spineless effort away from home.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: honkytonk on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:11
One way to look at it, Sarries would have beaten most sides today, I am sure of that.  We were crap second half and yet still got a LBP. Two of their tries came originally from us not being able to hit a barn door at LO time.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Now ex-Navyquin on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:11
We are still in a great position for top 4.  Wasps lost without taking any points.  they are 12 behind us now with 5 left.  Saints 8 with 5 left to play.  Bath got Chiefs tomorrow.  The tricky one is Sale vs Newcastle  later.  Falcons could really help us out.  I would rather be in our position than the teams chasing us.

Still have Saints at home and Wasps away, those games could be huge
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Now ex-Navyquin on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:12
One way to look at it, Sarries would have beaten most sides today, I am sure of that.  We were crap second half and yet still got a LBP. Two of their tries came originally from us not being able to hit a barn door at LO time.

Hopefully Baldwin coming will improve the lineout.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: honkytonk on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:13
Top 4 will just result in another spineless effort away from home.

Quite possibly, but I am sure we would have taken top 4 at the start of the season??  And hey, one off game, who knows
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Le Tiss on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:13
When is Crumpton coming back? our line out was a shambles all game
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: raedarius on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:13
Teams have to take more advantage of Saracens' poor first halves.  They rarely continue into the second half.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: rdc on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:15
Apart from our lack of discipline, we showed little or no plan to break through their defence for most of the game, like the bad old days.  We need to fix players before we pass, we need more players running lines.  I thought, again, Brown showed some of the best attacking, he is playing his best rugby this season.  But sadly we need much, much more if we are to compete for silver
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: A222Quin on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:15
Id probably have taken an LBP before kick off. Frustrating that we made so many unforced errors throughout a dire second half. Daveís mindless penalties capped it off. Still, hopefully Falcons will be fired up against Newcastle!
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Now ex-Navyquin on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:15
Quite possibly, but I am sure we would have taken top 4 at the start of the season??  And hey, one off game, who knows

I would have taken top 6 at the start of the season to be honest
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: raedarius on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:17
Hmm, replay of the Care/Williams incident.  Not enough being made of Williams' forearm to Care's neck.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: A222Quin on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:19
Hmm, replay of the Care/Williams incident.  Not enough being made of Williams' forearm to Care's neck.

Agreed. Both definitely indulged in foul play but Williams elbow to the throat was particularly over the top.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Quintessential on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:19
Obviously would have preferred a win or draw there but it was a Herculean bit of riding our luck to come away with a LBP. Two disallowed tries for Sarries, Goode's missed pen and our LO back to its 2016/17 worst.....I'll take it.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: ACQuins on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:19
Hmm, replay of the Care/Williams incident.  Not enough being made of Williams' forearm to Care's neck.

It's actually something the touch judge mentioned to JP Doyle immediately after the incident, but nothing more was said about it thereafter.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Everyoneís a Quinner on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:21
It's clear that we lack a bit of quality from the bench. Hopefully the new signings will improve things next season. Wardy was Def a game changer.

😂 you got that right, game changer in a negative way
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: MaidstoneQuin on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:25
At least one positive is we've gone from starting **** and finishing well, to turning it on its head, and starting well, and bottling things.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Everyoneís a Quinner on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:27
Agreed. Both definitely indulged in foul play but Williams elbow to the throat was particularly over the top.

Williams is over the top in general. Great player but ugly attitude on the pitch towards the opposition in most games IMO. A right jerk chicken if you ask me
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Now ex-Navyquin on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:30
Williams is over the top in general. Great player but ugly attitude on the pitch towards the opposition in most games IMO. A right jerk chicken if you ask me

Imagine the reaction had that been Mike Brown
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Dibden on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:31
After the Glos debacle a lbp is an ok return and if we make top 4 at the end that is a damn fine outcome after just one season of Gussieís reign.
Yes penalty count awful but fixable and Ward is on his bike.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: A222Quin on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:34
Imagine the reaction had that been Mike Brown

Agreed. But Liam Williams isnít English so gets more of a free pass on stuff like that in the eyes of the media.  *joke before anyone gets upset*
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Quinten Poulsen on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:36
I would have taken top 6 at the start of the season to be honest

So would I, but it doesn't make these awful performances any more palatable.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Now ex-Navyquin on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:38
So would I, but it doesn't make these awful performances any more palatable.

I know, I am not saying it does and is certainly frustrating that the leaps forward so far seem to have a few backward steps now. Couple of big games coming up to cement a top four spot.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: honkytonk on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:41
Not too long ago we won away at Bath.  I think so early into a new "Project" you are going to get these type of games where things go wrong and players revert back to "Bad" type.  I am very happy with this season and I also think we will be ok in making the top 4. 2 bad results, a few brilliant ones before that. 
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: deadlyfrom5yardsout on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 17:53
Thrashed by Glaws at home followed by a bonus point away at Sarries. See-Saw Season.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Everyoneís a Quinner on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 18:13
Imagine the reaction had that been Mike Brown

Yeah, heís lucky it wasnít Brown.

Anyone remember Brown squaring up to and owning Michael Hooper during RWC2015 after a dodgy clean out? Too funny
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Bolly-Quin on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 18:23
Still, hopefully Falcons will be fired up against Newcastle!

Falcons v Newcastle?
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: A222Quin on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 18:25
Falcons v Newcastle?

Yes, brain fart there. I meant Sale!
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: TW Quin on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 18:28
We were 2 tries up at half time and lost the plot second half giving stupid penalties away and Dave Ward less said...

Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Quinky on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 18:33
Hmm, replay of the Care/Williams incident.  Not enough being made of Williams' forearm to Care's neck.

I still don't understand why Sarries got the penalty simply because Care apparently started it. Retaliation normally sees the penalty reversed.

I think there may be a citing or two after this game. Just a feeling, before anyone gets antsy and demands chapter and verse.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: J Scott on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 18:33
No matter what weíve improve so much this season.  A lbp in todays game is a right result.  Of course it would nice to win but lets be honest we were in top gat while Sarries were in third.  Momentum is changing though.  Weíll be top four this season.  A few more signings to come and weíll be top 2.  COYQ
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: JammyGit on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 19:49
I still don't understand why Sarries got the penalty simply because Care apparently started it. Retaliation normally sees the penalty reversed.

I think there may be a citing or two after this game. Just a feeling, before anyone gets antsy and demands chapter and verse.

It was a poor bit of reasoning. Liam Williams got shoved out of the ruck area, then illegally took out Care, before jamming the arm in his throat.

Thought Sarries were very unlucky with the Vunipola try being chalked off, but then JP gave them about 3 hours to release 2 phases earlier when Dombrandt was all over the ball. There were several really dumb penalties we gave away, and some baffling decisions by JP - can anyone explain the penatly against Earle for not rolling away when 1) someone had immediately dived on top of him and 2) the ball was BEHIND him on the Saracens side anyway?!

I'd be angrier if our own ill discipline wasn't such a problem. Gosh we gave away some stupid penalties. And the subs largely did themselves no favours. Alofa is no Marchant, Boyce is certainly no Marler, and Ward is no rugby player.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Quinten Poulsen on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 20:03
Takes a brave man to watch that on delay.  :)
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: arniepie on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 22:51
The Gloucester game and the rubbish served up today has shown what a useless DOR gustard is, he is making jk look good at the moment and his signings for next season will make us struggle not to finish bottom next season, all my predictions of finishing top 4 have gone out of the window because the smug arrogant twat canít pick a team to beat a basically second string sarries side, believe me that his own self indulgence will keep our great club struggling
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Blucherquin on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 22:54
The Gloucester game and the rubbish served up today has shown what a useless DOR gustard is, he is making jk look good at the moment and his signings for next season will make us struggle not to finish bottom next season, all my predictions of finishing top 4 have gone out of the window because the smug arrogant twat canít pick a team to beat a basically second string sarries side, believe me that his own self indulgence will keep our great club struggling

You have developed a lot of issues recently.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Quinten Poulsen on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 23:01
Nothing wrong with all day drinking.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: arniepie on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 23:03
Yes I have because I can see that because of whatís happening in the camp is making us fall apart due to gustards obnoxious arrogance
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: MightyQ2 on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 23:14
Crumpton back soon thankfully

Crumpton was back this week, just not selected.

Silly choice by coaches
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Quinky on Sunday 24-Mar-2019, 01:04
It was a poor bit of reasoning. Liam Williams got shoved out of the ruck area, then illegally took out Care, before jamming the arm in his throat.

Thought Sarries were very unlucky with the Vunipola try being chalked off, but then JP gave them about 3 hours to release 2 phases earlier when Dombrandt was all over the ball. There were several really dumb penalties we gave away, and some baffling decisions by JP - can anyone explain the penatly against Earle for not rolling away when 1) someone had immediately dived on top of him and 2) the ball was BEHIND him on the Saracens side anyway?!

I'd be angrier if our own ill discipline wasn't such a problem. Gosh we gave away some stupid penalties. And the subs largely did themselves no favours. Alofa is no Marchant, Boyce is certainly no Marler, and Ward is no rugby player.

Exactly. Care shoves Williams away from the ruck - I think he was offside anyway. Williams then dives at Care, taking him out, and shoves an elbow into him after Care pulls him down.

Penalty Sarries. No sanction for the fact that it was retaliation.

And the next time Doyle shouts "Use it" at a ruck, I'll go and put the kettle on.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: A222Quin on Sunday 24-Mar-2019, 07:37
Yes I have because I can see that because of whatís happening in the camp is making us fall apart due to gustards obnoxious arrogance

Obnoxious arrogance? Care to cite some examples? 4th at this stage of the season suggests some things are going reasonably well vs last year and that PG isnít doing everything wrong.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: honkytonk on Sunday 24-Mar-2019, 07:51
Arniepie, I am guessing from your spot on info that you have an ear to the squad/club some how.  Can you elaborate on the PG comments?? Is all not well on the good ship Quins??
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: RodneyRegis on Sunday 24-Mar-2019, 08:15
Crumpton was back this week, just not selected.

Silly choice by coaches

Criminal rather than silly.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: honkytonk on Sunday 24-Mar-2019, 08:29
That is a bad move unless Crumpton is injured. Our best Hooker
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: A222Quin on Sunday 24-Mar-2019, 08:32
Or not fit enough to play but not last the full 80 if required.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Quinston Churchill on Sunday 24-Mar-2019, 09:38
The Gloucester game and the rubbish served up today has shown what a useless DOR gustard is, he is making jk look good at the moment and his signings for next season will make us struggle not to finish bottom next season, all my predictions of finishing top 4 have gone out of the window because the smug arrogant twat canít pick a team to beat a basically second string sarries side, believe me that his own self indulgence will keep our great club struggling

Sorry arniepie, but I absolutely disagree with most of this post.

A good chunk of the signings weíve made are exactly what we need to win these kind of games. For example, Baldwin and Lewies will improve our lineout (which will be a major boost) and Campagnaro would either have started instead of Chisholm or come on for Marchant instead of Alofa.

I donít know how youíd class that as a Ďsecond string Sarries sideí either? OK, Farrell and Kruis weíre rested and Itoje is injured, but beyond that, it was pretty much their first choice lineup full of international players.

We had a poor second half, but we were fairly good in the first and came out of a game I didnít expect us to win with a losing BP. It could have been a lot worse.

I donít think we can compare Gustard and Kingston at all. Very odd indeed.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: honkytonk on Sunday 24-Mar-2019, 10:10
I thought first half we were pretty comfortable tbh, good lead going in to HT.  Second half the momentum changed and we could not get a hold of it.  Skelton and Billy V caused us plenty of problems but we held firm for the most part.  One major problem for us was not being able to protect the ball.  LOs were a weapon for Sarries to turn us over and how many times did we lose it forward??  You cant give up that much ball, let alone against one of the best sides in Europe.  Add to that the poor discipline and I am actually amazed we did not lose by more.  Bad performance - yes, bad result - not so much so, would have taken that before the game, end of the world - def not.  Would not swap our place with any of those below us
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Blucherquin on Sunday 24-Mar-2019, 11:28
Iím assuming thereís been a falling out between ArniePie and the management of similar - coz thatís quite a turnaround in online personality (whereas I always make sure to annoy everyone)
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Tonbridge Quin on Sunday 24-Mar-2019, 17:07
Oh well at least we got the LBP which is more than Bath managed today.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: honkytonk on Sunday 24-Mar-2019, 17:16
Yep,  Increased our lead over Bath and Wasps by a point. Parity with Sale and only Saints gained any ground (Still 8 behind).
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Tonbridge Quin on Sunday 24-Mar-2019, 17:27
Yep,  Increased our lead over Bath and Wasps by a point. Parity with Sale and only Saints gained any ground (Still 8 behind).

I must admit Saints are my biggest worry as they seem on a roll at the moment
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: honkytonk on Sunday 24-Mar-2019, 17:32
They have the toughest run in.  If I was looking at a team to catch us, Sale seem the most dangerous to me with their run in.  We will be okay though
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: QuinKent on Sunday 24-Mar-2019, 17:47
And the subs largely did themselves no favours. Alofa is no Marchant, Boyce is certainly no Marler, and Ward is no rugby player.

I agree Alofa isnít a patch on Marchant, but thought he played as well as Iíve seen him yesterday. Boyce coughed up posession in the tackle at least twice, and less said about Ward the better.

I missed Marchantís substitution, anyone know what his injury was? He would be a huge loss if out for a few games.
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Tonbridge Quin on Sunday 24-Mar-2019, 17:57
I agree Alofa isnít a patch on Marchant, but thought he played as well as Iíve seen him yesterday. Boyce coughed up posession in the tackle at least twice, and less said about Ward the better.

I missed Marchantís substitution, anyone know what his injury was? He would be a huge loss if out for a few games.

I think it happened when he was challenging for a high ball, looked like knee or ankle. Hope it's not serious. Wouldn't want to lose him at this point in the season
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: honkytonk on Sunday 24-Mar-2019, 17:58
Looked like a hamstring.  I wouldn't mind seeing Salli and Tapuai together.  Thinking about it, we could have done with Lasikes  bulk and running yesterday. 
Title: Re: Team vs Saracens
Post by: Blucherquin on Sunday 24-Mar-2019, 19:54
Looked like a hamstring.  I wouldn't mind seeing Salli and Tapuai together.  Thinking about it, we could have done with Lasikes  bulk and running yesterday.

But probably not his inability to tackle without giving away a penalty.....mind you would we have spotted one or two more penalities?