ComeAllWithin
Rugby => ComeAllWithin Board => Topic started by: Gone on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 09:05*
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Anyone watch last night? Was Healey commentating? He normally doesn’t hold back about the club when annoyed - just interested to know if there was any interesting lines about what’s going on at Tigers?
Tricky few weeks coming up for them.
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I was thinking as I looked at the table, a few wins below Tigers could see squeaky bum time for them.
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Yes I watched part of it. Defence is not good and fitness or enthusiasm seems to be a problem. G Ford kicking did not help. I think Aus was but really Ben Kay has more to say and he is of course a Director.
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They were so poor. Players just standing getting the ball static, side to side. I was actually shocked tbh. If Worcs and Falcons can win today I would be nervous if I were a Tigers fan. There was just nothing.
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I am 45 years old and have been watching top flight rugby for about 38 of those years. I have never seen a worse Tigers team than this one. No go forward, no tactical nous, and little discipline. I feel really sorry for their fans, who again last night turned up in numbers to support a team that for the most part, don't look interested.
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Blimey - sounds like us last year - except they’ve been top 4 forever.
Brizz v Worcs massive in terms of Tigers today then and Falcons are back to winning but not sure they can hold Sale back....
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Tigers were poor ( except 9/10 of Harrison Ford ) , but to be fair Saints won it rather than Tigers lose it , they were pretty impressive especially in the first half , Tigers couldn't cover their speed of attack , and the 15-29 score flattered Tigers as they got a couple of late consolation tries when the game was already wrapped up .
On another thread there is chat about ex Quins players , Sam Aspland Robinson started and struggled
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I took a group of my school kids up to the game. Yikes. Leicester were well beaten after the first minute. Seriously. Reinarch had them on toast.
My colleague (Wasps fan) and I sort of wanted a Leicester revival, as Saints are closer in points terms to both of us. However, it was fascinating to see their directionless performance (and a little amusing, given their power and success in the game).
Tigers were worse than us last year (bar our home defeat to Irish), if I am honest. That really is saying something!
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Blimey - sounds like us last year - except they’ve been top 4 forever.
Brizz v Worcs massive in terms of Tigers today then and Falcons are back to winning but not sure they can hold Sale back....
Yep. A lot like we were last season.
I actually fancy Falcons to win today. They’ve got Goneva and Wilson back and they’re playing at St. James’ Park with a much bigger crowd than they normally have.
Tigers have Chiefs at home in the next round and then play Falcons away. I can’t see them beating Chiefs so if Falcons win today, they could start putting some real pressure on Tigers.
On a side-not, Aspland-Robinson looked a bit out of his depth.
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I actually fancy Falcons to win today. They’ve got Goneva and Wilson back and they’re playing at St. James’ Park with a much bigger crowd than they normally have.
Really hope not 🦈🦈🦈
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Falcons win today would be great for the League , not sure they've got enough though , it will need Sharks to have a poor one .
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I expected the return of their England contingent (-B Youngs) might give them the boost they needed to get back on track, but on last night's showing they could be in real trouble. Their remaining fixtures are:-
Exeter (H)
Newcastle (A)
Bristol (H)
Quins (A)
Bath (H)
I'm not sure where their next win comes from - hopefully not at the Stoop !
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Until last night, I didn't really think that they were relegation contenders, but now, they're certainly in the mix. Awful defence, old fashioned bonehead lock blocking, and their try only came about by loitering Tigers players splitting to create a gap in the Saints defence. They're a team of the past.
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Tigers were terrible, thought that Saints were very impressive but luckily for us no try bonus point.
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No excuses now for not beating them at home
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That Newcastle away game is huge for them. A lot riding on that.
The thing I can't get my head around is how they just don't have a pack any more. That's been their entire game for as long as I can remember - stick it up the jumper for 60 mins - pick and gos, rolling mauls, brutal rucking and tight defence. Now, when I look at their pack, there are very few players in there that would make it into Quins' pack for instance.
Look at the respective packs from this weekend just gone:
Quins
1 Marler
2 Elia
3 Sinckler
4 Symons
5 Horwill
6 Clifford
7 Robshaw
8 Dombrandt
Tigers
1 Genge
2 Youngs
3 Cole
4 Spencer
5 Kitchener
6 Williams
7 O'Connor
8 Thompson
Now, completely removing my Quins specs briefly...
The only arguments I think a neutral could make would possibly be:
Genge > Marler
Youngs > Elia
Spencer > Horwill
Obviously I disagree on the Genge/Marler one (although they're very different LHs so it's hard to compare anyway). Even if you take the above as being the case, I can't remember a time in years gone by that you'd look at a Tigers pack and feel sorry for them - usually you'd be green with envy. And I'm sorry but that back row is hands down the worst in the Prem. By a long, long way. They don't have a Prem quality blindside or number 8. Guy Thompson is their best performer in that unit and he's been moved out of his best position because they're just so low on quality there. Astounding to see Tigers lacking so much in the forwards. Just can't get my head around how that's happened.
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It was certainly hard watching, Leicester looked like they had no ideas of what to do with ball in hand, it was just ship it from side to side and hope something opens up (sounds familiar to last season for Quins). The only player who stood out for Leicester was their scrum half, would be a starter in most other teams but is stuck behind Ben Youngs when available, if he goes they are in a spot of bother.
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Am I wrong in thinking their scrummie (Harrison) is an academy graduate of ours?
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Yes you are!
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Yes you are!
Nice and clear - thanks!
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Am I wrong in thinking their scrummie (Harrison) is an academy graduate of ours?
Yes :)
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Anyone else?
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Anyone else?
I would have but I wasn't sure.
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I’d never have Genge ahead of Joe - even without my Quins blinkers on. But that is striking.
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Yeah definitely wasn't saying that was my opinion. But some people will read the clamouring column inches around Genge and the misinformed portraits of Marler as some kind of pantomime villain and come to the "Genge > Marler" conclusion. When in fact it's a lot more complex (and interesting) than that - Joe is a serious pro now in every facet of the game and there aren't many props in the business I'd take over him. Genge is still relatively young and can wreak havoc in the loose when he's interested - if he can refine his tight work he'll be a very important player for England in future years.
But yeah, Tigers have serious problems up front. Especially as Genge is one player who has literally spoken out loud about not wanting to hang around at Tigers forever (in relation to wanting to go back to Brizz in the not-too-distant). Even if he doesn't go, overhaul needed.
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Yeah whenever I watch Genge I think he needs an Adam Jones style mentor to knock the edges off - Sink was up there with England’s best players in the 6 nations with Kruis and May imho,