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Rugby => ComeAllWithin Board => Topic started by: dittonquin on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 19:36*

Title: Results at the bottom
Post by: dittonquin on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 19:36*
With results going as they have today how long before the Tigers' bigwigs are the ones calling for ringfencing? Getting very interesting down there.
Title: Re: Results at the bottom
Post by: Quins Head on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 20:14*
Tigers will be ok The Falcons have been unlucky in some respects each time they win other results don’t go their way between Worc and Falcons I think
Title: Re: Results at the bottom
Post by: QuinKent on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 20:29*
Schadenfreude to see Tigers experiencing what we did last year. As with us, it is v unlikely they will actually finish last, but I prefer to be watching it from where we are rather than where they are.
Title: Re: Results at the bottom
Post by: Gone on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 20:40*
Well as per my other thread...

They’ve got Chiefs next week then go to Falcons - I wouldn’t be so sure they’re not going to be in a close fight for last.
Title: Re: Results at the bottom
Post by: QuinKent on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 20:48*
Yeah but Falcons have Sarries away next week, then Tigers and Saints at home. I’d bet on tigers taking more points from their next three than Falcons do. Not saying I’d be upset if they didn’t, mind.
Title: Re: Results at the bottom
Post by: Gone on Saturday 23-Mar-2019, 22:58*
Yeah but Falcons have Sarries away next week, then Tigers and Saints at home. I’d bet on tigers taking more points from their next three than Falcons do. Not saying I’d be upset if they didn’t, mind.

They’ll likely both get beaten next week and get nothing from the match  but the head to head is a big game and it’s on a Friday night in Newcastle - so I’m saying that’s a Falcons win. And that will mean 1 point will separate them.
Title: Re: Results at the bottom
Post by: Quinston Churchill on Sunday 24-Mar-2019, 07:56*
Yeah. I’d expect both to lose in the next round, but form-wise, that would still be 4 straight losses from Tigers vs. 3 wins and a loss for Falcons who also have home advantage.

If they win, Falcons would have caught-up with Tigers who then play Bristol at home. Serious relegation territory.
Title: Re: Results at the bottom
Post by: Fursty on Sunday 24-Mar-2019, 08:38*
I can see Wasps not winning another game this season and being dragged into the mix too.
Title: Re: Results at the bottom
Post by: honkytonk on Sunday 24-Mar-2019, 08:41*
Us at home!!
Title: Re: Results at the bottom
Post by: Quinston Churchill on Sunday 24-Mar-2019, 09:54*
Yeah - I can see us losing to Wasps ...
Title: Re: Results at the bottom
Post by: honkytonk on Sunday 24-Mar-2019, 10:13*
thankfully, I think we will be safe in the top 4 by then
Title: Re: Results at the bottom
Post by: nowexnavyquin on Monday 25-Mar-2019, 12:51*
looking forward to watching the Falcons v Tigers match on BT, that is assuming they show it, it's not often Leicester on TV for the wrong reasons.
Title: Re: Results at the bottom
Post by: Gone on Tuesday 26-Mar-2019, 08:46*
looking forward to watching the Falcons v Tigers match on BT, that is assuming they show it, it's not often Leicester on TV for the wrong reasons.

Indeed it is...

FRI APR 5
Sale Sharks v Harlequins
Gallagher Premiership
19:00

SAT 6TH APR
RUGBY UNION
Bath Rugby v Bristol Bears
Gallagher Premiership
13:30

RUGBY UNION
Leicester Tigers v Exeter Chiefs
Gallagher Premiership
16:15

SUN 7TH APR
RUGBY UNION
Northampton Saints v Gloucester Rugby
Gallagher Premiership
14:30

FRI 12TH APR
RUGBY UNION
Newcastle Falcons v Leicester Tigers
Gallagher Premiership
19:00

SAT 13TH APR
RUGBY UNION
Gloucester Rugby v Bath Rugby
Gallagher Premiership
14:30

SUN 14TH APR
RUGBY UNION
Exeter Chiefs v Wasps
Gallagher Premiership
14:30

FRI 26TH APR
RUGBY UNION
Sale Sharks v Bath Rugby
Gallagher Premiership
19:00

SAT 27TH APR
RUGBY UNION
Exeter Chiefs v Harlequins
Gallagher Premiership
13:30

RUGBY UNION
Wasps v Saracens
Gallagher Premiership
16:15

SUN 28TH APR
RUGBY UNION
Worcester Warriors v Gloucester Rugby
Gallagher Premiership
14:30

Title: Re: Results at the bottom
Post by: Fearless Fred on Tuesday 26-Mar-2019, 18:16*
Well, theoretically we're still not clear of relegation! we're only 20 points ahead of the Falcons, with 5 rounds to go (25 points on offer...).

Realistically, I'd say that anyone from Bath down is at risk. What's different this season that with 5 rounds to go, the *bottom* club has already got 6 wins. If you look back through the history of the Premiership, there's only been 3 teams relegated having won 6 games in a season (Us, Saints twice, and Falcons most recently as 2012, with Leeds avoiding the drop in '02 because Rotherham's stadium wasn't up to standard), and only once has a team that's won 7 games gone down (Bristol in '03).

This season there's been a big "levelling" of the teams from 3rd down to 12th, where any team can win on their day. Look at the table as it stands:

(https://i.ibb.co/B64fgLk/Screenshot-2019-03-26-at-18-08-58.png)

Based on performances this season, could you really make a case where Tigers are *that* much better than Worcester or Falcons, particularly since the start of the year? We've been fortunate that Gussy's impact has led to a good uptick in getting bonus points, not just by scoring tries but also by getting the important LBP as well.  If either Falcons or Warriors had been picking up a few LBPs earlier in the season, you'd see Tigers really bricking it in either 11th or 12th at the moment...
Title: Re: Results at the bottom
Post by: Saintquin on Tuesday 26-Mar-2019, 19:55*
There's a chance Tigers could be bottom in a round or two!
Had a chat with a Tigers fan at Welford Road some seasons ago who was boasting about the size of the crowd they get.
When I asked him what sort of crowd they'd get if they stopped winning trophies he replied "that would never happen".
Title: Re: Results at the bottom
Post by: never sleep on Tuesday 26-Mar-2019, 20:38*
There is some real quality in the teams that are towards the bottom of the table. The warriors back line is good. Bristol also have some talent. The bottom of the table teams are actually quite good this season
Title: Re: Results at the bottom
Post by: Yareet on Wednesday 27-Mar-2019, 08:38*
There's a chance Tigers could be bottom in a round or two!
Had a chat with a Tigers fan at Welford Road some seasons ago who was boasting about the size of the crowd they get.
When I asked him what sort of crowd they'd get if they stopped winning trophies he replied "that would never happen".

In his defence, they should win one next season.

For winning the Championship 🤣🤣
Title: Re: Results at the bottom
Post by: Monte on Wednesday 27-Mar-2019, 12:55*
There's a chance Tigers could be bottom in a round or two!
Had a chat with a Tigers fan at Welford Road some seasons ago who was boasting about the size of the crowd they get.
When I asked him what sort of crowd they'd get if they stopped winning trophies he replied "that would never happen". Well we both survived a year in the Championship and looking back except for the redundancies the supporters quite enjoyed going to new grounds.but it can happen to anyone
Title: Re: Results at the bottom
Post by: A222Quin on Wednesday 27-Mar-2019, 13:09*
No whipping boy this year and how different it all looks. With the money Bristol spent it seemed unlikely that they'd fall through the trap door though its still possible.

I think Leicester will get out of it. I know they look listless but there's definitely a performance in there (hopefully not on May 3rd).  I'd like Newcastle to stay up, and no real feelings for Worcester to be honest. Whoever goes down will walk the Championship anyway.
Title: Re: Results at the bottom
Post by: deadlyfrom5yardsout on Friday 29-Mar-2019, 10:33*
Is anyone across this ring fencing idea? As in is it still an idea or is it going to happen, we just don't know when?
Title: Re: Results at the bottom
Post by: Brown Bottle on Friday 29-Mar-2019, 10:43*
Last I heard was that there would be relegation this season and possibly a play-off between last place and Championship winners after that, which IMHO is effectively ring-fencing anyway, especially as I believe extending the Premiership to 13 teams is also on the cards. Has all gone a bit quiet, though.
Title: Re: Results at the bottom
Post by: Fearless Fred on Friday 29-Mar-2019, 11:10*
I can't see any agreement to a play-off between the Championship winner & 12th Place Premiership team. Exeter are pretty much the only team who were promoted to the Premiership during the years when Championship playoffs were in place that managed to kick on. All the others have tended to yo-yo between the bottom few places in the Prem & the top of the Championship.

This is partly down to the fact that if you don't know if you're coming up until the end of the season, it's hard to put together a team that can compete. Exeter managed it by dint of planning for the long term & having financial backing that was willing to pay what was needed.

Before you say "Ah, but look at Us, or Saints, or Bristol this year", all those teams knew they were promoted well before the end of the season & could start planning, talent scouting etc when players were on the market.
Title: Re: Results at the bottom
Post by: deadlyfrom5yardsout on Friday 29-Mar-2019, 11:15*
How would 2 down and 2 up work? In a Relegation Playoffs system like at the top of the Prem?
Title: Re: Results at the bottom
Post by: Quinky on Friday 29-Mar-2019, 12:09*
Not that I'm a conspiracy theorist, but I suspect these things don't get decided whilst there is only a risk that the "wrong" team may be relegated...
Title: Re: Results at the bottom
Post by: Fearless Fred on Friday 29-Mar-2019, 12:17*
The Telegraph is reporting that the RFU have vetoed the idea of ending Promotion & Relegation. Unfortunately I've used up my one article a week free subscription so can't read/copy the whole article...

Link (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2019/03/28/exclusive-premiership-abandon-plans-end-relegation/)