ComeAllWithin
Rugby => ComeAllWithin Board => Topic started by: Gone on Thursday 11-Apr-2019, 09:39*
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This could have gone under the Marler Hero thread but since there were a couple of people doubting that hating gays is incompatible with rugby values....Folau has been sacked.
"Rugby Australia and the New South Wales Rugby Union have made repeated attempts to contact Israel both directly and via his representatives since 6.30pm on Wednesday, and at this point he has failed to communicate directly with either organisation.
"Whilst Israel is entitled to his religious beliefs, the way in which he has expressed these beliefs is inconsistent with the values of the sport. We want to make it clear that he does not speak for the game with his recent social media posts.
"Israel has failed to understand that the expectation of him as a Rugby Australia and NSW Waratahs employee is that he cannot share material on social media that condemns, vilifies or discriminates against people on the basis of their sexuality.
"Rugby is a sport that continuously works to unite people. We want everyone to feel safe and welcome in our game and no vilification based on race, gender, religion or sexuality is acceptable and no language that isolates, divides or insults people based on any of those factors can be tolerated.
"As a code we have made it clear to Israel formally and repeatedly that any social media posts or commentary that is in any way disrespectful to people because of their sexuality will result in disciplinary action. "In the absence of compelling mitigating factors, it is our intention to terminate his contract."
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Good. See you in Hell, Issy ;D
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Great to see this, I was doubtful considering it’s a RWC year but good on them! Values have to come first...
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I am a supporter of free speech, he is entitled to his own opinion, it is not breaking the law. But it looks very bad in the inclusive rugby community and to pretty much everyone in society, bar the odd religious zealot.
I wouldn't be surprised to see someone like Toulon put in a megabucks bid for him.
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"I am a supporter of free speech" is fine in itself and up to a limit. In this context it is a cop-out and you become complicit in the harm Folau's views can do (and probably are doing/already have done). To quote poorfour from the other thread:
Not all rights are equal. Your right not to be offended, or to say whatever you want is less important than someone else's right to freedom from harassment and discrimination. When two people's rights come into conflict, humane societies determine precedence by looking at which option causes the least overall harm.
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I am a supporter of free speech, he is entitled to his own opinion, it is not breaking the law. But it looks very bad in the inclusive rugby community and to pretty much everyone in society, bar the odd religious zealot.
I wouldn't be surprised to see someone like Toulon put in a megabucks bid for him.
As the statement says, it's nothing to do with his beliefs or opinions, it's that rugby doesn't believe in hating gay people. So he'll have to go somewhere that it's ok.
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That better not be Quins is all I'll say. I know Mike's getting on now but unthink it Gussy. UNTHINK IT.
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Id bet France
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Yup, or maybe Japan...
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As the statement says, it's nothing to do with his beliefs or opinions, it's that rugby doesn't believe in hating gay people. So he'll have to go somewhere that it's ok.
You can't stop people hating anyone or anything. The only thing you can do is to unravel why they feel that hate, and hope that the reasons can be undone.
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He can hate them if he wants for his own misguided ways... He just shouldn't as a rugby player and employee of NSW and The Wallabies put that all over his social media outlets.
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He can hate them if he wants for his own misguided ways... He just shouldn't as a rugby player and employee of NSW and The Wallabies put that all over his social media outlets.
That would depend on his contract. It may say that he can't do so. If it doesn't, then his former employers may be on dodgy ground.
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That would depend on his contract. It may say that he can't do so. If it doesn't, then his former employers may be on dodgy ground.
“As a code we have made it clear to Israel formally and repeatedly that any social media posts or commentary that is in any way disrespectful to people because of their sexuality will result in disciplinary action.
“In the absence of compelling mitigating factors, it is our intention to terminate his contract.”
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That would depend on his contract. It may say that he can't do so. If it doesn't, then his former employers may be on dodgy ground.
That's why I said it. It is in the terms of his contract as Blucher has illustrated.
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You can't stop people hating anyone or anything. The only thing you can do is to unravel why they feel that hate, and hope that the reasons can be undone.
Actually the sad reality is that in most cases all you can do is wait for them to die and hope the next generation is more tolerant.
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Actually the sad reality is that in most cases all you can do is wait for them to die and hope the next generation is more tolerant.
*cough*Brexit*cough*
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You can't stop people hating anyone or anything. The only thing you can do is to unravel why they feel that hate, and hope that the reasons can be undone.
Ah, Confucious, he say......
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*cough*Brexit*cough*
Yeah, but a week is a long time in politics, so the next generation is about 6 months in Westminster time.
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Yeah, but a week is a long time in politics, so the next generation is about 6 months in Westminster time.
Whenever I hear millennials speaking on a subject they want to appear knowledgeable about, I dread the next generation taking power...
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Whenever I hear millennials speaking on a subject they want to appear knowledgeable about, I dread the next generation taking power...
And what do you think they hear when you speak?
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And what do you think they hear when you speak?
Millennials I've don't seem to listen - they think they know everything already.
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Millennials I've don't seem to listen - they think they know everything already.
I'm a millennial... Okay I take your point.
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Whenever I hear millennials speaking on a subject they want to appear knowledgeable about, I dread the next generation taking power...
As opposed to the generation currently in their 50 and 60s who are smashing it day in day out in Westminster?
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Dont agree with any thing he's said but it is interesting, Now Vinupola has come out with a defence of it stating its his religion, I find it all very distasteful and why I dont like religions so does Vinupola now get a punishment? Is stating his belief = to Hate?
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Dont agree with any thing he's said but it is interesting, Now Vinupola has come out with a defence of it stating its his religion, I find it all very distasteful and why I dont like religions so does Vinupola now get a punishment? Is stating his belief = to Hate?
Vunipola has said something idiotic, but he's not said that gay people will burn in hell. I think there is a difference, though it's a pretty marginal one. It will be interesting to see how the RFU reacts. And how Joe reacts, for that matter.
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As opposed to the generation currently in their 50 and 60s who are smashing it day in day out in Westminster?
Oh how I wish Westminster personnel were representative of real people, instead of just (claiming to) represent them...
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Oh how I wish Westminster personnel were representative of real people, instead of just (claiming to) represent them...
They literally represent them. You vote for them.
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Pretty much a choice off picking the least worst most of the time, rather than someone you would actually want to represent you.
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You know what. I think that we should not discuss religion or politics on this board. It is just too divisive.
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No its not.
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No its not.
I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour?
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I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour?
That isn't an argument.
It is a rebuttal, or a contradiction.
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Hilarious. Re Butt all.
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There's no hatred towards gays on my part. I just believe its wrong. People should have the right to freedom of speech. God bless you Folau.
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There's no hatred towards gays on my part. I just believe its wrong. People should have the right to freedom of speech. God bless you Folau.
He has that right indeed - that’s why he’s been sacked. He’s free to say anything he wants. But he breached his employers code of conduct.
(Also on a related not Quins support gay rights and equality).
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This thread is a classic example of why I asked for it to be moved to the non rugby page
According to admit this is all about core rugby values though
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I agree T-Bone OT