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Rugby => ComeAllWithin Board => Topic started by: Monte on Sunday 12-May-2019, 06:51*

Title: Fissler TRP
Post by: Monte on Sunday 12-May-2019, 06:51*
According to Fissler ‘we have opened talks’ with Quade Cooper as our new marquee player now Kev is retired. Also says we are talking to Brock James which is a bit strange.
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: Monte on Sunday 12-May-2019, 07:00*
Nick Cain in TRP  says Danny was dropped because he did not stick to the script v Japan and Eddie lost patience. Now Ben You gs won’t play again this season so he may be forced to bring him back.
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: Banstead Quin on Sunday 12-May-2019, 07:29*
Not quite sure how I feel about Cooper. Undoubtedly an incredibly talented player but a bit of a dick as well. Not sure he'll have the impact NEV had but he will score points and terrorise defences. Not sure he'll be too focused on helping Marcus develop.

So Jones's tactics are incredibly slow ball at the breakdown then!!!

Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: honkytonk on Sunday 12-May-2019, 07:51*
Cooper is still box office.  Him alongside Care, Salli, Marchant would be excellent. Confirms the Cat is off.  Id hope Gustard is also in talks with a lock
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: Monte on Sunday 12-May-2019, 08:05*
Presumably would be one year contracts as both are getting on. Problem is a bit late to be signing marquee unless someone becomes available after World Cup
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: honkytonk on Sunday 12-May-2019, 08:09*
I think Cooper could get longer than a year, he is only 31!!.  James def only the one.  It will be either or of course, not both. 
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: Quinston Churchill on Sunday 12-May-2019, 08:51*
Cooper is still box office.  Him alongside Care, Salli, Marchant would be excellent. Confirms the Cat is off.  Id hope Gustard is also in talks with a lock

Agreed. He could be very exciting. However, I do have some reservations ...

To Banstead Quins’ point, I’m not sure how helpful Cooper would be for Marcus and if it’s a choice between Cooper or a marquee lock, I’d go with the latter every single time.
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: Now ex-Navyquin on Sunday 12-May-2019, 08:57*
I think Brock James could be a 1 year cover only, certainly wouldn't be upset seeing him at Quins. Cooper would certainly be an exciting addition as long as the lights if London don't distract to much, I would hope that this is in addition to Snyman and not instead of.
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: honkytonk on Sunday 12-May-2019, 09:02*
Agreed. He could be very exciting. However, I do have some reservations ...

To Banstead Quins’ point, I’m not sure how helpful Cooper would be for Marcus and if it’s a choice between Cooper or a marquee lock, I’d go with the latter every single time.

In fairness to Cooper, theres nothing to suggest he would have a negative impact on Smiths development.  No more than us bringing Cipriani in would.  There might be reservations about him but his ability as a player would win it for me.  I actually think he would be great for Smith (and Lang) to learn from.  Training with a bloke like that every day.

Re the lock, Im going to stick my neck out and say that with the above rumour, The Cat is def off. Add to that the rumour off Visser also going,  we will bring in a lock to replace Horwill.  Despite the announcements the club made of the incomings, I think  there were always going to be one or two more.
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: Gone on Sunday 12-May-2019, 10:18*
Visser has a year on his contract and would need to be bought out to go. Can’t see anyone coming in for him.
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: Quinster on Sunday 12-May-2019, 10:27*
I would love to see Quade in the quarters, he’s electric and makes things happen, he’s a better version of Cipriani in my opinion.

Having him rotating with Smith in the back line with DC, Saili/Taps & Marchant.. that would be lethal.

I just flicked through insta because I remembered seeing Taps & Quade in a few personal photos at weddings together, maybe they want to be reunited from the time they spent at the Reds together  😁

Quade replacing the Cat
Snyman replacing Horwill
Now that’s what dreams are made of
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: honkytonk on Sunday 12-May-2019, 10:48*
Visser has a year on his contract and would need to be bought out to go. Can’t see anyone coming in for him.

Or it could be that his contract is cancelled by mutual agreement (possible scenario with The cat also).  That would seem the best for all involved.  The player(s) get to go where they like and actually play (plus maybe get themselves a longer contract) and the club gets (I imagine) a decent chunk of cap space to spend. Winners all round.

I appreciate there is a few ifs there though
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: JammyGit on Sunday 12-May-2019, 11:15*
Cipriani is much better than Cooper - Cooper's a mess. He's more like the old Cipriani who tries to do the flash stuff and abandons the basics.

I'd be really worried if we were spending big money on such a flawed player.
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: honkytonk on Sunday 12-May-2019, 11:30*
I wonder if the club had known Horwill was going to call it a day earlier, we would have been in for Ciprani again (and maybe had a chance) before he signed his new Gloucs deal??  Or another way to look at it, had we been able to agree to letting the Cat and/or Visser go we could have been able to afford him (I realise the talk of them going is currently still rumour and nothing more).

Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: A222Quin on Sunday 12-May-2019, 12:25*
It’s a no from me on Quade Cooper, he’sway too flaky. 38yr old Brock James is a bit left field too... I can kind of see the logic but I’d be surprised if either of the rumours were true.
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: Twickersman on Sunday 12-May-2019, 15:30*
I watch a fair bit of super rugby. Cooper is back innform, looking fit and motivated. He has been good for the Rebels this season so far.

He would be a good addition, especially if Smith starts to get England call ups after the world.cup has finished..
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: JammyGit on Sunday 12-May-2019, 15:34*
I also watch Super Rugby. His defence is worse than ever and he's still a poor goalkicker. Super Rugby is a much looser game than Premiership/European stuff too.
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: A222Quin on Sunday 12-May-2019, 16:01*
Yeah for me I just don't see Cooper being any use on a cold Friday night up in Sale or in a Force 9 down at Sandy Park.
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: RodneyRegis on Sunday 12-May-2019, 17:55*
I wonder if the club had known Horwill was going to call it a day earlier, we would have been in for Ciprani again (and maybe had a chance) before he signed his new Gloucs deal??  Or another way to look at it, had we been able to agree to letting the Cat and/or Visser go we could have been able to afford him (I realise the talk of them going is currently still rumour and nothing more).


cips can't be a marquee can he?
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: honkytonk on Sunday 12-May-2019, 18:01*
Correct, although a little re jig of current contracts would easily sort that out (Move one of our big earners into the marquee spot vacted and give Cips that money).  By all accounts, the rumour is/was that his Gloucs deal is not as eye watering as some expect it to be.
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: Fursty on Sunday 12-May-2019, 18:39*
Correct, although a little re jig of current contracts would easily sort that out (Move one of our big earners into the marquee spot vacted and give Cips that money).  By all accounts, the rumour is/was that his Gloucs deal is not as eye watering as some expect it to be.

The Marquee to replace Horwill has to be a player signed from abroad (assuming that Horwill was still a marquee player)
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: Brown Bottle on Sunday 12-May-2019, 18:41*
The Marquee to replace Horwill has to be a player signed from abroad (assuming that Horwill was still a marquee player)

One of our signings must be from abroad, surely?
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: RodneyRegis on Sunday 12-May-2019, 18:42*
Yes, bit not paid enough to clear enough cap to pay a big earner.
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: honkytonk on Sunday 12-May-2019, 19:13*
So one of your Marquee signings has to be from abroad???  Did not appreciate that.  I just thought it was two players, outside of the cap and they could not be signed from another Prem Team.
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: RodneyRegis on Sunday 12-May-2019, 19:23*
Signed from abroad = outside the prem,  assuming a marquee player is unlikely to come from the championship
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: honkytonk on Sunday 12-May-2019, 19:27*
Ahh, so Marler and Sink can never be Marquee for us at the same time??
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: harlequins on Sunday 12-May-2019, 19:40*
Correct. Marquee has to be a new player from outside the premiership
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: Yareet on Sunday 12-May-2019, 20:00*
Correct. Marquee has to be a new player from outside the premiership

Not correct. It can be an existing player who has played for the club for 2 years:


(c) A Club shall only be entitled to nominate a Player as their first Excluded Player who:
(i) has been a Player of the Club for at least two full Salary Cap Years prior to the Salary Cap Year in which he is nominated as the Excluded Player; or
(ii) has not been a Player of any Club during the previous Salary Cap Year, other than a Player who (A) qualifies under Regulation 3.3(c)(i) or (B) has only been a Player of a Club during the previous Salary Cap Year as a replacement for an Injured Player following dispensation under Regulation 5; or
(iii) has been a Player (but not an Excluded Player) for the Club in the previous Salary Cap Year and was not a Player for any other Club for at least one Salary Cap Year immediately prior to joining the Club.

(d) A Club shall only be entitled to nominate a Player as a second Excluded Player who:
(i) has not been a Player of any Club during the previous Salary Cap Year; or
(ii) was that Club’s second Excluded Player in the previous Salary Cap Year.
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: Fursty on Sunday 12-May-2019, 21:30*
That’s the rules for the 1st marquee player, the 2nd marquee player must either be the same as the year before or have not played in the premiership in the previous year.
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: Yareet on Sunday 12-May-2019, 21:36*
That’s the rules for the 1st marquee player, the 2nd marquee player must either be the same as the year before or have not played in the premiership in the previous year.

That’s what I said!

Rules for both are in my post.

Edited as I was being thick
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: T-Bone on Sunday 12-May-2019, 21:58*
Few rumours now about starting 10s we're after. Don't understand that given that Smith is already a very good 10 and Lang us decent back up
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: Gone on Sunday 12-May-2019, 22:00*
I particularly like every time someone says “Smith can learn from xxxxx”

Yeah coz that’s what he needs. We’ve only got the widely acknowledged best ever foreign signing to the Prem for him to learn from now so you can see we’re lacking badly.....
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: New Forest Quin on Monday 13-May-2019, 07:53*
I particularly like every time someone says “Smith can learn from xxxxx”

Yeah coz that’s what he needs. We’ve only got the widely acknowledged best ever foreign signing to the Prem for him to learn from now so you can see we’re lacking badly.....
Exactly.
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: Monte on Monday 13-May-2019, 08:04*
Marcus also can’t play every match particularly if we are in the Champions Cup or he gets a call up
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: JammyGit on Tuesday 14-May-2019, 13:13*
Few rumours now about starting 10s we're after. Don't understand that given that Smith is already a very good 10 and Lang us decent back up

Lang is not decent back up as a 10. He's one of the famous utility backs we've tried to make work over the last decade or so.

We have one good 10.
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: Chipstead Quin on Tuesday 14-May-2019, 14:27*
I particularly like every time someone says “Smith can learn from xxxxx”

Yeah coz that’s what he needs. We’ve only got the widely acknowledged best ever foreign signing to the Prem for him to learn from now so you can see we’re lacking badly.....

I agree with you Blucherquin , but would add that its not the same being coached and advised by a great player , as it is watching a great player in training for a match with you and actually seeing him perform / close out games with your regular team mates
I think both actions complement each other .
I watch how Exeter use Simmons and Steenson and think we could benefit from something like that
In the current context Im sure Brock James would be more useful than Quade Cooper.
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: Gone on Tuesday 14-May-2019, 14:42*
I agree with you Blucherquin , but would add that its not the same being coached and advised by a great player , as it is watching a great player in training for a match with you and actually seeing him perform / close out games with your regular team mates
I think both actions complement each other .
I watch how Exeter use Simmons and Steenson and think we could benefit from something like that
In the current context Im sure Brock James would be more useful than Quade Cooper.

Yeah ok hadn't thought of it in those terms.
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: marlowish on Tuesday 14-May-2019, 14:49*
Lang is not decent back up as a 10. He's one of the famous utility backs we've tried to make work over the last decade or so.

We have one good 10.

One OK 10
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: Quinky on Tuesday 14-May-2019, 20:09*
I wonder if we'll ever experiment with Ross Chisholm at 10. He seems to have played a few A games there. Different level, I know. Just musing.
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: J Scott on Tuesday 14-May-2019, 20:31*
I think to say we don’t need a 10 because we’ve got Smith is a little, even more to say he won’t learn.  I think Cooper could be good as I said before a few years back no one would touch Cips with a barge pole.  TIL he re-signed with Glos we wanted him.  I think if Cooper can rid his immaturity he could be a great Quin.

Who else is there that wold benefit our club and the current 2 fighting for the 10 shirt.
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: Quinten Poulsen on Wednesday 15-May-2019, 00:33*
I wonder if we'll ever experiment with Ross Chisholm at 10. He seems to have played a few A games there. Different level, I know. Just musing.

Just stop that, for heaven's sake!
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: Quinston Churchill on Wednesday 15-May-2019, 08:58*
One OK 10

Ridiculously harsh. Marcus Smith is not the finished article, but he’s a lot better than ‘OK’.

His performance against Clermont was excellent. We just need to see him controlling a game like he did then more often.

This may be controversial, but I actually think Smith has looked better when paired with SHC or Mulchrone than he has with Care. When Care plays, he runs the show, which has its pluses and minuses IMO.

One of the drawbacks is that Smith gets less of an opportunity to control the game from 10 and then tends to try to force it when he does get the ball. That’s partially immaturity from Smith but sometimes Care needs to remember he’s not playing 9 and 10.

Lang is OK, but I agree with others that he’s a decent utility back rather than a genuine 10.
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: Chipstead Quin on Wednesday 15-May-2019, 12:05*
Lang is a good player , he has a cannon of a boot , tackles well and runs hard , all the attributes of a full back really .When he played at full back for the A team (apart from the lack of speed of Morris or Chis ), he did a good job - maybe with work on his speed he could be a long term replacement for MB .

Townsend picked him for Scotland last summer at centre saying he was an excellent ball carrier and tackler and felt that was the best position for him in his side ( with Hidalgo Cline at 9 and Adam Hastings at 10)

We usually play him at 10 /12 ( and I think once on the wing when injury forced it)

As a young man he will just be keen to get over the whitewash at the moment at every opportunity regardless of where he plays, but soon he needs to decide his best / favoured position and work on it , or as mentioned above could end up permanently on the bench as back up for several positions .
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: Quinster on Thursday 13-Jun-2019, 21:29*
I’ve just seen that Quade Cooper has 12 try assists this season, he’s currently at the top of the try assists leaderboard. Now the Cat has been confirmed as leaving, I’d take Cooper in a flash.
I get that SH rugby is all about attack and a very open game, but still think he would teach Smith & Lang a thing or two.
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: Matt72 on Friday 14-Jun-2019, 08:42*
Its all over the internet

Premiership club table monster offer for Quade Cooper

Mercurial playmaker Quade Cooper has reportedly been speaking to Premiership side Harlequins over a potential move to South-West London.

70-cap Wallaby has told friends that Quins have approached him over a move.



Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: marlowish on Friday 14-Jun-2019, 08:50*
would hope we would do better than these
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: Bolly-Quin on Friday 14-Jun-2019, 09:05*
Its all over the internet...

There are all sorts of things on the internet...
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: Fearless Fred on Friday 14-Jun-2019, 09:08*
There are all sorts of things on the internet...
We'll take your word for that!
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: WellingQuin on Friday 14-Jun-2019, 09:11*
A FoxSports AU article seems to suggest Cooper wants to stay with the Rebels.

“Who knows, let’s hope it all works out well so I can continue my football here and strike up a deal. That would be great, hopefully sooner rather than later. But it’s out of my hands and you can only do so much as a player."

https://tinyurl.com/y2627ufb
Title: Re: Fissler TRP
Post by: Gone on Sunday 16-Jun-2019, 08:03*
There are all sorts of things on the internet...

Yep. Like this.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/113519408/super-rugby-quade-cooper-shocker-sums-up-nightmare-week-for-australia