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Title: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: harlequins on Friday 29-Nov-2019, 23:46*
I do find it difficult to watch them...
Title: Re: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: Bucksquin on Saturday 30-Nov-2019, 09:19*
That's always been the case for me, even before the recent revelations (which we all knew to be the case, didn't we, years ago). However, right now, my feelings for them are off the scale. No-one has apologised, even now. I absolutely will not put any money into their greedy, swollen coffers by buying tickets to Sarries-Quins matches, and I hope no-one else does either. Maybe a half-full stadium and withdrawal of sponsors on moral grounds would persuade them to re-think the arrogant self-justification ("we did it for the good of the sport ... it was a bad rule anyway ... just helping the Premiership to compete in Europe ...").   
Title: Re: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: quinalan on Saturday 30-Nov-2019, 10:09*
Dozed off at Half time here!
Title: Re: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: JimTheQuin89 on Saturday 30-Nov-2019, 10:11*
Dozed off at Half time here!

Along with Sarries' wingers, I expect  :P
Title: Re: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: Mayor West on Saturday 30-Nov-2019, 12:08*
I try to justify watching a game involving them by willing the other team to spank them. Sadly it very rarely happens.
Title: Re: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: MadMax on Saturday 30-Nov-2019, 12:32*
No problem for me. I haven't watched any of their games for the last few years because it was common knowledge they were cheating. Now that they are known to be proven cheats it makes no difference and I wouldn't watch them if you paid me.

I had hoped that once the cheating was proven the Premiership would regain some integrity but as it is now known that you can win titles by cheating and keep them for me the Premiership remains a worthless corrupt competition. 

Therefore I watch individual games to enjoy the contest without giving any thought to what the result means to the table in a corrupt league.   
Title: Re: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: Quin At All Costs on Saturday 30-Nov-2019, 13:37*
No problem for me. I haven't watched any of their games for the last few years because it was common knowledge they were cheating. Now that they are known to be proven cheats it makes no difference and I wouldn't watch them if you paid me.

I had hoped that once the cheating was proven the Premiership would regain some integrity but as it is now known that you can win titles by cheating and keep them for me the Premiership remains a worthless corrupt competition. 

Therefore I watch individual games to enjoy the contest without giving any thought to what the result means to the table in a corrupt league.

My feelings exactly.
Title: Re: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: DOK on Saturday 30-Nov-2019, 19:06*
No, I don't watch their games, no matter how many International players they have or European titles or whatever. Now, apparently, they're under the salary cap with a stellar line up of players that could give Toulon a good run for their money. To assemble a squad  like that and be able to put out a subs bench like they have, well how believable is that? Maybe in the technical sense they are under the cap, I mean Nigel W. has turned a bunch of lawyers on to the salary cap regs to go through it line by line looking for loopholes and ways and means. Perhaps there are grey areas that the PRL doesn't feel ready/able to challenge.

But that's not how it's supposed to be. The idea is all clubs sign up to the £7m limit and all try their best to keep to it. It isn't a competition to see what holes you can spot in the regs to see where you can drive a horse and carriage through the original intent.
Title: Re: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: dramaquin on Saturday 30-Nov-2019, 19:29*
It's not just you.
I want Saracens to lose almost as much as I want Quins to win - sometimes more so.
Ridiclulous I know, but to see them lose can beat the pleasure of a Quins win
Title: Re: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: Man From LA on Sunday 01-Dec-2019, 08:35*
No problem for me. I haven't watched any of their games for the last few years because it was common knowledge they were cheating. Now that they are known to be proven cheats it makes no difference and I wouldn't watch them if you paid me.

I had hoped that once the cheating was proven the Premiership would regain some integrity but as it is now known that you can win titles by cheating and keep them for me the Premiership remains a worthless corrupt competition. 

Therefore I watch individual games to enjoy the contest without giving any thought to what the result means to the table in a corrupt league.

Same here.
Title: Re: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: deadlyfrom5yardsout on Sunday 01-Dec-2019, 10:34*
To misquote Andy Murray, I support Harlequins and anybody playing against ShabbyCens.
Title: Re: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: marlowish on Monday 02-Dec-2019, 15:36*
Simply cannot watch them - I have not watched them for some times as even though they had not been found to have pssd all over the rules and the salary cap it was obvious to Blind Pew that they were doing so.  Sadly nothing has changed 5M is a drop in the Ocean to Wray and they have the same squad - so what was the point.
They have been sanctioned for a couple of years of cheating whereas the reality is that they have been cheating for about a decade. 
Honestly it has totally reduced my appetite to watch games as I do not see the point of a league where one club plays by different rules to every one else.
It was rare for me not to go to the away games but I have not been to been this season and am sure I will not and that I will miss a few home games to boot.  I feel that the domestic competition that I have had  season ticket at for years is just a fraud and I have been a mug.
Had I not already renewed my ST when this came out I would not have done so and will not do so next season.  To me it is not just Sarries that I despise and cannot watch it is that they have taken away any point in watching the league games because in effect nothing has changed. 
Title: Re: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: Harleys Evil Step Mum on Monday 02-Dec-2019, 16:40*
I find watching the forward dominant Exeter VERY hard to watch most of the time!!
Title: Re: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: RodneyRegis on Monday 02-Dec-2019, 17:34*
Yeah, Exeter are dreadful to watch. Not sure why they are never called up on it. Saracens play a far better brand of rugby these days, cheats or no.
Title: Re: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: MadMax on Monday 02-Dec-2019, 17:59*
Ben Johnson was good to watch when he ran very fast wasn't he?

But once it was known he was cheating I lost my enthusiasm for his performances.
Title: Re: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: Quin At All Costs on Tuesday 03-Dec-2019, 00:19*
Yeah, Exeter are dreadful to watch. Not sure why they are never called up on it.
Stuart Barnes often writes about this in The Times.  Exeter are admirable, rather than exciting.  Cordero was fun to watch for them last season, a bit of a throwback back-three jinkster.
Title: Re: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: Bolly-Quin on Tuesday 03-Dec-2019, 08:49*
Cor blimey! Exeter might be “admirable” or ‘dull”, but I suspect many on here, all variants, would swap their successes over the last 5 years for for the unhinged displays we have endured since winning back on 2012...
Title: Re: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: Mayor West on Tuesday 03-Dec-2019, 09:34*
I would.
Title: Re: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: deadlyfrom5yardsout on Tuesday 03-Dec-2019, 10:07*
Simply cannot watch them - I have not watched them for some times as even though they had not been found to have pssd all over the rules and the salary cap it was obvious to Blind Pew that they were doing so.  Sadly nothing has changed 5M is a drop in the Ocean to Wray and they have the same squad - so what was the point.
They have been sanctioned for a couple of years of cheating whereas the reality is that they have been cheating for about a decade. 
Honestly it has totally reduced my appetite to watch games as I do not see the point of a league where one club plays by different rules to every one else.
It was rare for me not to go to the away games but I have not been to been this season and am sure I will not and that I will miss a few home games to boot.  I feel that the domestic competition that I have had  season ticket at for years is just a fraud and I have been a mug.
Had I not already renewed my ST when this came out I would not have done so and will not do so next season.  To me it is not just Sarries that I despise and cannot watch it is that they have taken away any point in watching the league games because in effect nothing has changed. 


This must be a world record ongoing flounce I reckon.
Title: Re: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: Harleys Evil Step Mum on Tuesday 03-Dec-2019, 10:52*
Cor blimey! Exeter might be “admirable” or ‘dull”, but I suspect many on here, all variants, would swap their successes over the last 5 years for for the unhinged displays we have endured since winning back on 2012...
I love looking forward to watching the weekly highlights of the league, I OFTEN skip the Exeter highlights!
Title: Re: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: KiltedQuin on Tuesday 03-Dec-2019, 16:06*
To be honest Exeter are workmanlike and use their well coached forward strength to engineer attacking space. I think they have developed exceptionally since they have coup by doing the basics well. It's not right to criticise for them executing an effective game plan. And it's been pretty successful for them too
Title: Re: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: RodneyRegis on Tuesday 03-Dec-2019, 17:13*
More an observation than a criticism.
Title: Re: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: T-Bone on Tuesday 03-Dec-2019, 21:16*
Cor blimey! Exeter might be “admirable” or ‘dull”, but I suspect many on here, all variants, would swap their successes over the last 5 years for for the unhinged displays we have endured since winning back on 2012...

Quins haven't been great to watch for a while either, and have won nothing. So yes, I'd swap the rubbish we often get for their dull but effective rugby. Id rather swap it for attractive and effective rugby though.
Title: Re: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: MadMax on Tuesday 03-Dec-2019, 21:42*
First build a winning team. Then add the entertaining rugby.
Title: Re: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: harlequins on Wednesday 04-Dec-2019, 09:00*
First build a winning team. Then add the entertaining rugby.

First break the salary cap, buy up most international players in the league....
Title: Re: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: MadMax on Wednesday 04-Dec-2019, 12:56*
First break the salary cap, buy up most international players in the league....

I was talking about doing it the non-cheating way  :)
Title: Re: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: Mayor West on Sunday 08-Dec-2019, 19:09*
This is the first Salarycens thread I came to so I thought I’d mention that I heard some inside info today that they very narrowly avoided a relegation penalty. I think it was a bit like you get the same sentence for robbing one bank as you do for robbing three.
Title: Re: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: Quinten Poulsen on Sunday 08-Dec-2019, 19:28*
I believe there is nothing in PRL's regulations to relegate a club as punishment for breaching the cap, so I would have made that point to your inside source.
Title: Re: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: RodneyRegis on Sunday 08-Dec-2019, 19:29*
Pretty sure there is, they can extend the 35 points to relegation.
Title: Re: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: Quinten Poulsen on Sunday 08-Dec-2019, 19:39*
They can extend the 35 points, and I suppose in theory they could calculate an amount that would force relegation but I would have thought it would be seriously difficult to enforce thanks to PRL's previous capitulation a few years ago.
Title: Re: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: RocQuin on Sunday 08-Dec-2019, 22:15*
I know weather conditions were not ideal in Limerick, but Oh My Word, that was one of the dullest matches I have ever watched.
From my own experience, it is very hard to get a dull game at Thomond Park.
Title: Re: Watching Saracens..is it just me?
Post by: deadlyfrom5yardsout on Monday 09-Dec-2019, 10:35*
They can extend the 35 points, and I suppose in theory they could calculate an amount that would force relegation but I would have thought it would be seriously difficult to enforce thanks to PRL's previous capitulation a few years ago.


Yes but they are now repeat offenders.