ComeAllWithin
Rugby => ComeAllWithin Board => Topic started by: SiB on Saturday 07-Dec-2019, 08:08*
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Looking at both team sheets , I’m fairly encouraged by our selection
So wondered what everyone thinks the final score will be
I’m going out on a limb and going for a Quins win by 2 points
Yep I may well be mad
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WE are gonna get mullered.
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I think we will come second.
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We will lose with a minimum of 10/15 points
Our bench is very poor
Travis Ismaiel it must be played?It was no better to play with Goneva?
Mike Brown will be a great loss for us
Paul Gustard will say Let us think about the next game after this defeat
I bet € 100 on the victory of Harlequins,
Let's start with an handicap of 10,5 points
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Can't see us winning at their place. Not sure about next week either.
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I also can't see us winning either of these two Ulster games. Today we're likely to get soundly beaten.
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A losing BP is probably the absolute best we can hope for
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A losing BP is probably the absolute best we can hope for
Next week, yeah.
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One for the purists thus far
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Our conversion rate in the opposition 22 is really really bad.
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Nice to have Kyle back! Lovely try.
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I hope no one on here heard the bt sport commentary bigging up ibitoye's defensive work...
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It was a good tackle to be fair
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The ref is getting an awful lot of help from his support.
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Yes quins.
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Got to love Elia's pride in the shirt.
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That lineout was nearly into the Ulster backs.
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Landajo on. He plans to spend the remaining eight minutes at the base of the ruck ignoring the ref's calls of "Use It!"
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Thrown it away.
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Landajo really is shocking.
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Well, we needed a bit of self-sabotage after a strong performance...
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Landajo plays anti-rugby. Two poor teams on show today.
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Concentrate on top 6 again this season
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Kavubati looks gutted. An appropriate response.
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? What's the score please
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Cavubati has to get dropped for that. Side note - has there ever been a more officious refereeing team?
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Oh what a wind up. On the edge of a famous win and then that... doh
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Heart break for the team agree about the reffing let’s hope we don’t get them next week.
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Was an impressive performance even if we didn't get the result. The front row played very well as did Dombrandt.
I didn't think at the start of the game we were going get into the knockouts. We know what it will take for next week, should be a cracker.
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I feel bad for Landajo, but we really do need a better option. He kills the confidence. He’s forever pointing, not looking at what’s happening, running out of time, to then rush a panicky rubbish kick.
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did DC get injured? if not I never understand in tight games why coaches insist on replacing key players at key times, seems to be a gamble that so often backfires.
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Looking at both team sheets , I’m fairly encouraged by our selection
So wondered what everyone thinks the final score will be
I’m going out on a limb and going for a Quins win by 2 points
Close SiB, so close. Despite the sad end, that was a characterful performance in a hostile arena, with some of fussiest officiating of all time. Well played boys!
Yep I may well be mad
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Oh, my comments lost. Anyway, was saying you were close SiB. Characterful performance in a hostile arena. Well played boys.
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While we didn’t play much rugby I thought we managed the game (and terrible ref) pretty well. Their crowd was more quiet than Bath’s ground for most of the game. Landajo is dreadful though. We just invited pressure exactly when we needed to play in their 22. Why not just leave DC on for the whole game?
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Actually thought that’s the best we’ve played all season ( Bar the brain fart moment that cost us)
Encouraging and disappointing
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Can someone please illustrate the brain fart moment as I have no access to moving pictures yet, judging by the past comments a stupid penalty cost us the game, I'd appreciate any further enlightening. Thanks.
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Can someone please illustrate the brain fart moment as I have no access to moving pictures yet, judging by the past comments a stupid penalty cost us the game, I'd appreciate any further enlightening. Thanks.
Big Tex came out of the defensive line too quickly and tackled a player without the ball. He had ample time to pull out of the tackle - it was really poor discipline. It gave them a fairly straightforward penalty to win with only around a minute left.
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It gave them a fairly straightforward penalty to win with only around a minute left.
Other than that, it was a good game and we played well. I’m surprised by some of the negative assessments/comments in this thread. Yes - there were a few bad decisions and moments in the first half when we we gifted them opportunities, but we fought back well. We played with passion and nearly won in a location that many thought we’d be well beaten (self included). Best performance for some time. Play with that intensity over the next few months and we’ll be doing OK.
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We played really well. Outstanding performance from the starting Pack. All were tremendous & collectively they caused Ulster no end of problems. We really have toughened up, is it any coincidence with Toby Booth's arrival? Line out very solid & even scored a try from a lineout catch & drive! Pretty solid in the backs also. Should have won it, but for a very lpoor Landajo "box kick" to their backs. Good positive signs though from this.
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Gutted for the team to have big tex ruin it like that! Played superb in my opinion, then the game got killed of when Landajo came on. He was a player I was really looking forward to seeing in the quarters... a player with 80+ caps for his country and we get that shocking performance! Flapping arms, slow paces, added nothing.
What nationally was the ref and linesman?
I was at work trying to watch the game with volume low and sure he came across Irish? I thought the refereeing panel had to be of a neutral country and not one of the playing teams? Might be wrong.
A lot of positives to take away from today for sure
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ref & linesmen Scottish
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Yes, a good effort by the team. But for a moments madness we'd have had the most unlikely of wins. Looking forward to next week.
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I am in Belfast now and watched the game. The team were dogged in defence and were looking increasingly in control. Then the whole Landajo 'thing' just happened. I have no idea what he was doing but from what I observed he single handedly sent the team from a cohesive unit into self destruct.
The final penalty may have been delivered on a plate in midfield but be assured the architect of the situation was Landajo. From the second he arrived the whole team lost momentum. His catastrophic performance behind the pack, his constant berating of the other players and shocking box kicks simply delivered the game to Ulster.
It was no shock to see him walk off on his own, isolated & ignored by the team.
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Side note - has there ever been a more officious refereeing team?
Apart from the Ulster try that looked in real time to be a forward pass. Not even checked. Unlike the grounding by Elia where he was on top of the ball. That really needed checking...
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Can someone please illustrate the brain fart moment as I have no access to moving pictures yet, judging by the past comments a stupid penalty cost us the game, I'd appreciate any further enlightening. Thanks.
(https://i.imgur.com/Xjvvllg.gif)
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Thanks Dinsdale!
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Hang on. Yes Landajo was dreadful, but let's not pretend he wasn't like for like at ruck time. I counted 10 seconds for most of Care's "use it" calls. Really horrible to watch, but clearly a tactic.
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So close! Really pleased we did not get a humbling and turned in a better performance than of late. Was DC injured? Lang did well again. Forwards looked more cohesive and our defence was pretty solid. Everything good except the result..
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Apart from the Ulster try that looked in real time to be a forward pass. Not even checked. Unlike the grounding by Elia where he was on top of the ball. That really needed checking...
I thought exactly the same. The final pass for the McCloskey try looked forward or worth checking at the very least.
Similarly, the ‘forward pass’ from Marler to Dombrandt looked flat at worst to me. We’d have been in a promising position with their defence going backwards and not much of the game left.
Despite the result, I was pleased with the performance. As others have said, it was comfortably one of our better, if not best performance so far this season.
I also agree on Landajo. How did he get 80+ caps for Argentina? He is shockingly terrible.
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1) The Scottish TJ might as well have been an Ulster fan for all the help he gave them and the number of times he screwed us.
2) We were let down by our back 3 - Gabs constantly going wandering looking for a faint chance of an intercept, mistiming catches, and missing half his tackles, Chisholm bombing a try then letting McClusky trample him for a try, Ismael never showing what his bulk can do and being a bit soft in defence
3) We never seem to get enough ball to some of our most dangerous carriers - Sinckler and Campagnaro on this occasion
4) It's a real shame, as I enjoyed my one trip there, but watching Ulster matches is deeply unpleasant now. Ever since the red card for wiping out Alex Goode, they've booed every decision, booed every injured player (Sinckler in this case), booed perfectly legal play, and on TV you also have the "benefit" of Stephen Ferris, who is astonishingly one-eyed. It's not a great experience.
5) The attitude was excellent and I'm gutted (and angry) that we lost.
For those wondering why Care came off, doesn't he always? He's old and there always seems to be a big drop off after an hour, I don't think he can play a full match any more. Essentially it's a case of gambling on how long the coaches can keep him out there.
Was great to see the much heralded Coetzee get absolutely schooled and Dombrandt showing what he can do.
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ref & linesmen Scottish
But born in Belfast
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But born in Belfast
That would explain the accent then!
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1) The Scottish TJ might as well have been an Ulster fan for all the help he gave them and the number of times he screwed us.
2) We were let down by our back 3 - Gabs constantly going wandering looking for a faint chance of an intercept, mistiming catches, and missing half his tackles, Chisholm bombing a try then letting McClusky trample him for a try, Ismael never showing what his bulk can do and being a bit soft in defence
3) We never seem to get enough ball to some of our most dangerous carriers - Sinckler and Campagnaro on this occasion
4) It's a real shame, as I enjoyed my one trip there, but watching Ulster matches is deeply unpleasant now. Ever since the red card for wiping out Alex Goode, they've booed every decision, booed every injured player (Sinckler in this case), booed perfectly legal play, and on TV you also have the "benefit" of Stephen Ferris, who is astonishingly one-eyed. It's not a great experience.
5) The attitude was excellent and I'm gutted (and angry) that we lost.
For those wondering why Care came off, doesn't he always? He's old and there always seems to be a big drop off after an hour, I don't think he can play a full match any more. Essentially it's a case of gambling on how long the coaches can keep him out there.
Was great to see the much heralded Coetzee get absolutely schooled and Dombrandt showing what he can do.
Care on one leg would have been better. Coaches got that one wrong.
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-Landajo can send it back to Argentina
-Until the number 9 we are a very strong team
-From the number 10 to the number 15 embarrassing
-Smth and Gabs because before they start running always jump?
-Kunatani and Care, becuase change?
-Lang play only to kick the ball in touche?
-Ismaiel same Landajo,can send to South Africa
-Alex Dombrandt next number 8 of England
-The referee did not whistle nothing, was waiting for the suggestion of TMO
Sorry for my English
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Was great to see the much heralded Coetzee get absolutely schooled and Dombrandt showing what he can do.
I may be imagining this, but there's a noticeable step up from Dombradt this season. Last season he was storming, but against top class players he occasionally seemed to be... well, maybe overawed. This season he seems to be disregarding status or reputation, and just plays his own, formidable game. Maybe he's just got better, which is a joy as it shows his breakthrough season wasn't a flash in the pan. But he's becoming as key to us as Minty was. If he continues to progress then he must be in line for a shedload of caps.
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1) The Scottish TJ might as well have been an Ulster fan for all the help he gave them and the number of times he screwed us.
2) We were let down by our back 3 - Gabs constantly going wandering looking for a faint chance of an intercept, mistiming catches, and missing half his tackles, Chisholm bombing a try then letting McClusky trample him for a try, Ismael never showing what his bulk can do and being a bit soft in defence
3) We never seem to get enough ball to some of our most dangerous carriers - Sinckler and Campagnaro on this occasion
4) It's a real shame, as I enjoyed my one trip there, but watching Ulster matches is deeply unpleasant now. Ever since the red card for wiping out Alex Goode, they've booed every decision, booed every injured player (Sinckler in this case), booed perfectly legal play, and on TV you also have the "benefit" of Stephen Ferris, who is astonishingly one-eyed. It's not a great experience.
5) The attitude was excellent and I'm gutted (and angry) that we lost.
For those wondering why Care came off, doesn't he always? He's old and there always seems to be a big drop off after an hour, I don't think he can play a full match any more. Essentially it's a case of gambling on how long the coaches can keep him out there.
Was great to see the much heralded Coetzee get absolutely schooled and Dombrandt showing what he can do.
Agree for the most part.
On point 2, our back three is currently the weakest part of our team.
Ibitoye is a real risk/reward selection. His positioning and defending are poor but he’s there for his ability to produce a bit of magic. He clearly has talent and with the right application, he can work on the defensive side of his game.
Ismael is an odd one. He was brought in to fill the space left by Earle as a more physical, ‘power’ winger, but so far he looks weak. For a big, powerful man, he looks pretty soft in contact and is doesn’t look like the guy he was playing for the Stormers (look him up on YouTube). The early evidence suggests that his injuries seem to have taken away his point of difference and now he’s just average at best. Murley is clearly preferred if/when fit, but it seems strange we’re not selecting Goneva.
I don’t want to be too tough on Chisholm. He’s a good servant to the club and still has a decent amount of ability (as he showed against Gloucester), but he’s clearly not good enough to be first choice. Morris is probably better when fit, but is less consistent and injury prone.
TRP has us looking for injury cover for Brown (as well as a hooker) so hopefully we can pull a rabbit out of the hat.
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Actually thought Gabs was much improved yesterday
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Actually thought Gabs was much improved yesterday
He does seem to continuously run out of the line. All the oppo need to do is wait for him to do that then pass it out side. I dont think I have seen him get an interception from it yet, surely he would be better holding his line.
We played really well yesterday. Ulster have I think, won 16 on the trott at home (and 29 out of 33)???.
I can forgive the pen at the end as I think he has been excellent since he joined. The pack played really well. Semi was superb again, Robshaw, Dombrandt, Lewies. The front row had the upper hand at the scrum. Ellia is playing out of his skin. I also like the look of Kerrod. I think he could come in and sneak under the radar as a very good signing.
Cant work Landajo out. When we signed him he seemd the perfect back up to Care. Reports about how he was quick, snipping runs. His nickname in Argentina is "The Locksmith" for his ability to unlock defences. He seems to be playing totally the opposite.
Thought the ref was quite harsh on us. What I did not get, twice at scrum time the TMO called "White, white" for a pen to Quins, but as Ulster managed to get the ball out it was let go, surely we should have had the pen?? Few forward passes missed (and a terrible call against us for Marler to Dombrandt). Im sure I am wrong but I was not 100% convinced that the 3rd Ulster try in the corner made it over the line, I thought he was short??
Anyway, good performance, confidence looked to be coming back. Positive signs.
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Agree for the most part.
On point 2, our back three is currently the weakest part of our team.
Ibitoye is a real risk/reward selection. His positioning and defending are poor but he’s there for his ability to produce a bit of magic. He clearly has talent and with the right application, he can work on the defensive side of his game.
Ismael is an odd one. He was brought in to fill the space left by Earle as a more physical, ‘power’ winger, but so far he looks weak. For a big, powerful man, he looks pretty soft in contact and is doesn’t look like the guy he was playing for the Stormers (look him up on YouTube). The early evidence suggests that his injuries seem to have taken away his point of difference and now he’s just average at best. Murley is clearly preferred if/when fit, but it seems strange we’re not selecting Goneva.
I don’t want to be too tough on Chisholm. He’s a good servant to the club and still has a decent amount of ability (as he showed against Gloucester), but he’s clearly not good enough to be first choice. Morris is probably better when fit, but is less consistent and injury prone.
TRP has us looking for injury cover for Brown (as well as a hooker) so hopefully we can pull a rabbit out of the hat.
Some very good points made. Ismael also bewilders me. He is big and physical but doesn't seem to apply it. Hopefully it's just a settling in period, but it needs to work out soon or he just won't get the regular selection that players need.
I wonder if we'll try Lang at FB? It would be a shame as he seems to be really settling at centre and is putting some strong shifts there. But when Sailli and Tapuai are both fit we could possibly look to shift things around a little. We also have Lasike to use on occasion.
Agreed re the pack. As a fan of Elia I'm really pleased to see he's playing so well. Back up props are a bit of a concern, but after Marler and Sinks pretty much anyone would be a drop off in quality. Joe seems to be enjoying his rugby and it really rings out the best in him. Semi and Cavunbati bth look like they really want to get stuck in, and the added athleticism can be a headache for opponents to defend against. Lewies is growing into the role and our lineout is working a lot better than it has in a long time. The back row is one that I'd put up against any on the Prem right now.
Half back is a concern. Smith can't play every minute of every game, and Care is still hard to replace. What happened to Waters? Landajo may just be old, or may still be adapting, but as with Ismael, the settling period needs to be over by now.
If we play like that week in week out, the season isn't looking as gloomy as many would have us believe a few weeks ago.
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Walters was involved with England sevens, not sure if he made the final squad for the season though. Was not involved in Dubai this weekend.
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One good positive is that there has been a noticeable improvement since Toby Booth joined.
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Possibly. It would be a big impact to have achieved in a very short time. I’m sure he has made a difference, but I think it’s more likely that it has coincided with having Marler (and Sinckler) back and a few of the newer players settling in.
As others have said, I think there are some more encouraging signs and I’m a lot happier with the way we’ve played in our last 3 games rather than the previous 3. Onwards and upwards.
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That would explain the accent then!
Well it would if it were true. The fact is the referee Mike Adamson of the SCO was born in Stirling in Scotland,
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But born in Belfast
Mike Adamson, the referee, was born in Stirling. Check your map, mine says Stirling is in Scotland.
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ref & linesmen Scottish
Ref and touch judges represent Scotland. However, Keith Allen is from Northern Ireland.
Not such an unusual thing for a ref to represent a country other than his own. JP Doyle and Marius Mitrea are other examples.
Meanwhile, Luke Pearce has the impressive honour of being born in both Exeter and Pontypool, at least according to Wikipedia. Well done Luke's mum...
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Ref and touch judges represent Scotland. However, Keith Allen is from Northern Ireland.
Not such an unusual thing for a ref to represent a country other than his own. JP Doyle and Marius Mitrea are other examples.
Meanwhile, Luke Pearce has the impressive honour of being born in both Exeter and Pontypool, at least according to Wikipedia. Well done Luke's mum...
Yes, just confirmed that. The referee is from Scotland, one touch judge from Scotland and the other from NI.
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So there was an northern Irish official officiating in a northern irish teams game? That surely can’t be allowed.... I did think I heard an Irish sounding accent over the comms when he continually chirped in when Quins infringed but not Ulster.....
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So there was an northern Irish official officiating in a northern irish teams game? That surely can’t be allowed.... I did think I heard an Irish sounding accent over the comms when he continually chirped in when Quins infringed but not Ulster.....
so there was one official, not the referee but one of the two touch judges was born in NI. Is that why Quins lost you're saying? If you take your blinkers off for a second you'll probably find that the Ulster supporters where equally not fussed on some of the refereeing decisions. Happens in every game. You see what you want to see.
Will be a cracking game at Quins, looking forward to it. Yes I'm an Ulster fan, but always had a soft touch for Quins since the Keith Wood days. Good luck to Quins in the Premiership old bean.
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TouchJudgeGate!!!