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Rugby => ComeAllWithin Board => Topic started by: East Sussex Chris on Tuesday 19-May-2020, 09:42*

Title: Looking Ominous
Post by: East Sussex Chris on Tuesday 19-May-2020, 09:42*
If Soccer clubs are becoming increasingly concerned about no fans for 6-12 months, then it looks like a long time before we get back to watching rugby. Will Rugby carry on playing or will they have to take a lengthy sabbatical as TV money won't be enough for clubs to survive.
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: deadlyfrom5yardsout on Tuesday 19-May-2020, 09:55*
I refer the Honourable Gentleman to my earlier suggestion of some sort of Subscription Streaming service.
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: honkytonk on Tuesday 19-May-2020, 09:58*
Dont worry, Vaccine by Sept, Stoop packed out in Oct!!!
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: MadMax on Tuesday 19-May-2020, 12:21*
Dont worry, Vaccine by Sept, Stoop packed out in Oct!!!

Wake up from dream in November!
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: harlequins on Tuesday 19-May-2020, 12:23*
I think we will be back by October even without the mystical vaccine.
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: honkytonk on Tuesday 19-May-2020, 12:29*
Being serious, I read something along the lines of staggered returns for attendances. which would make sense.  slightly easier for rugby as the attendances are smaller than in football.  Its why lower league football was mentioned as having fans before Prem Games
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: toast on Tuesday 19-May-2020, 13:36*
Let ask a simple question: Are people going to ‘want’ to go to any mass gatherings until there is a proven vaccine?

 Personally, I doubt it as as people have been conditioned, over the past few months, to avoid and basically fear social contact, and probably quite rightly as the ONS have realised a figure of 55k deaths over and above normal levels since March.....

The reports on a potential vaccine seem encouraging with some reports suggesting there could be something ready in September 2020, but I wouldn’t want to be one of the first people taking it as if it was that easy to get a viable vaccine this quickly why have others taken years to get right and approved as safe??

I really hope I am wrong but I think that we will be lucky to get back to the stoop before September 2021.
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: never sleep on Tuesday 19-May-2020, 13:39*
I am a little surprised that the club isn't coming up with options for membership renewals for next season.
Next season is likely to be impacted in some way - maybe small - maybe big. Impossible to tell.
My wife has a long term health condition and we will therefore need to be cautious.
So, renewing all of our memberships for the whole year is something that I have to consider carefully as, even if there is minor impact, there may be a scenario where we can't attend the games anyway and the money is wasted.
If I buy season tickets and there is a major impact to next season, then the club will need to refund.  This doesn't help anyone - me or the club.
On the other hand, I want to reserve my seat.  Maybe it will be safe to attend the second half of the season and I will want a mini season ticket.
Basically, I want to remain a member and support Quins, but I may need to take a year off coming to the Stoop.
So, I would have thought the the club would do additional sorts of membership options to give some flexibility.
e.g.
Pay £80 - get discount for seats; discount on shirt; gift for mighty quins member; etc; 
Pay £100 - get all of the above plus;  entrance to a-games;six nations ballot; etc; 
Pay £120 - get all of the above, but reserve your seat

Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: LA Old Tim(e) Quin on Tuesday 19-May-2020, 15:27*
I was fortunate enough to have been elected as a member (proposed and seconded by current members) during the 1989 AGM. My status as a non player, and living further than 40 miles from the club was as a 'Country Member' this gave me full membership privileges, like a player. After 1995 my privileges changed, naturally, as I didn't take up a season ticket. I still paid my annual subs and got ticket discount's, entry to ballot etc, enough to remain a member and feel include. 6 years ago the club had a shake up and 'Country Membership' was discontinued, this kindly coincided with me retiring so I was pleased to take up a season ticket. Therefore maybe, as has been suggested, a reversion to 'old' style membership options are the way to go in the future. One word of warning though, all correspondence to me from the club refers to my " 6 years of membership" only recognising my season ticket totally ignoring the 30 years I have paid an annual subscription.
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: A222Quin on Tuesday 19-May-2020, 16:11*
Let ask a simple question: Are people going to ‘want’ to go to any mass gatherings until there is a proven vaccine?

 Personally, I doubt it as as people have been conditioned, over the past few months, to avoid and basically fear social contact, and probably quite rightly as the ONS have realised a figure of 55k deaths over and above normal levels since March.....

The reports on a potential vaccine seem encouraging with some reports suggesting there could be something ready in September 2020, but I wouldn’t want to be one of the first people taking it as if it was that easy to get a viable vaccine this quickly why have others taken years to get right and approved as safe??

I really hope I am wrong but I think that we will be lucky to get back to the stoop before September 2021.

I've said this before but if we're not back until September 2021 we probably won't have much of a game of rugby to support.
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: Domestos on Tuesday 19-May-2020, 16:13*
I am a little surprised that the club isn't coming up with options for membership renewals for next season.
Next season is likely to be impacted in some way - maybe small - maybe big. Impossible to tell.
My wife has a long term health condition and we will therefore need to be cautious.
So, renewing all of our memberships for the whole year is something that I have to consider carefully as, even if there is minor impact, there may be a scenario where we can't attend the games anyway and the money is wasted.


In the scenarios that you paint, I would have thought your best bet would be to sit on your hands.

Which is what I intend to do.
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: never sleep on Tuesday 19-May-2020, 16:25*
In the scenarios that you paint, I would have thought your best bet would be to sit on your hands.

Which is what I intend to do.
I agree - but, I don't want someone else to buy my seat.  I sit next to friends - so it would be annoying if I couldn't get my existing seat as someone else is in it.
But, it is not worth paying lots of money to prevent it.  I would, however, be willing to pay a modest amount to prevent it being available to other season ticket holders.
I like the idea of "country member".  It is a common at other clubs.  At Richmond, you can become member without having a season ticket.  In fact, membership allows you to buy a season ticket.
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: Brown Bottle on Tuesday 19-May-2020, 16:38*
Quote from: LA Old Tim(e) Quin
I was fortunate enough to have been ... a 'Country Member'

Yes, I remember!
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: LA Old Tim(e) Quin on Tuesday 19-May-2020, 17:16*
In the event that the sport, therefore the professional clubs, were closed down for a considerable time I am sure that membership incentives will be closely looked at by clubs. It might be that to remain solvent they will need to compete with other forward thinking sporting clubs, and revert to 'old style'  membership packages to retain/attract supporters. What Never Sleep suggests seems a good common sense approach, a small concession by the club to retain his support by allowing him to retain his seat at a reduced membership option rather than loose him altogether.
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: MaidstoneQuin on Tuesday 19-May-2020, 19:30*
Until theres a vaccine, which lets be honest will probably be another 6 months away (and thats generous considering we didnt even develop one for SARS), any form of entertaiment wether thats sport or a music venue will be irresponsible to open.

Perhaps advances in near instant covid tests will help, as in theory you could do tests before entering a venue might help, but not sure thats possible currently.

Watching the Bundesliga with empty stadiums felt a bit like watching a kickaround at GOALs. Frankly no sport should even consider returning until the new year. Scrap all cup competitions, and a compact season between Jan-May could be possible, but even then thats wishful thinking. Putting profits before lives is fairly poor, plus lets face it who wants to go to a half empty stadium, 2 meters apart from everyone wearing face masks?
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: Camquin on Tuesday 19-May-2020, 23:02*
I suspect the Premiership will go back but not the crowds - so we get to watch on TV.
Hopefully all games will be on TV,
That gives clubs TV and sponsors money, thus letting them survive.
But the lack of gate money will cost  say £3m.
Which means much reduced player wages - or deeper pockets from the sugar dadies.

However, Championship and National League Clubs will have no income - and many may fail.
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: D-Quins on Tuesday 19-May-2020, 23:10*
I suspect the championship and National League will not run next year.  There is no money to pay for the precautions etc.  Where this leaves the Salary cheats for promotion next year no idea.  Would be sad if there was not promotion next year!
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: MaidstoneQuin on Wednesday 20-May-2020, 07:27*
Football/rugby lower league teams would fall apart behind closed doors, probably in football terms league 1 and below. If I owned a team and was forced to finance an entire new squad and had 0 for gate money the decision would be fairly straight forward for closing down.  teams would also get some stream revenue, but it would pale in significance to required to run a club
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: Domestos on Wednesday 20-May-2020, 08:22*
I understand - and I may well be wrong - I often am.

Harlequins like most professional sports clubs, most companies for that matter, use the British limited liability company system to their advantage.

And why wouldn't they?

If ABC Rugby Ltd fails, the directors can/will say, 'Oh dear, that's a shame, lucky that the land was owned by ABC(Land) Ltd isn't it?'

I suggest to you that this - or something like this - is what will happen if any/some/most/all of the professional rugby clubs in this country fold.
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: stoquin on Wednesday 20-May-2020, 08:44*
Back to attending games, my belief, and hopefully the scientists will allow a return to smaller crowds. This of course depends on the number of cases dropping to hundreds across the country with therefore the odds of a virus carrier attending very slight, so negligible risk. The safety net for this is the track and trace so that if someone does become ill they will be able to locate and advice those in the near vicinity that they should self isolate in case they have been infected.

This still leaves the management of bars toilets and mass exit to be addressed.

It also requires the ticket holders to have the confidence in the system and the mass fear that is currently present turned around.


We have to believe that this scenario will work or waiting for a vaccine will kill the sport as we know it. At present there have been about 400 cases in Richmond borough not very many but if we can get below that figure for the nation then the above should work and we should be able to feel safe enough to go to a game.

Just a thought
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: dr_miles on Wednesday 20-May-2020, 09:24*
There's a report on rugbypass today about losses incurred by premiership clubs, and that shows that Quins lost £11m over the last two seasons, and every club except Exeter made losses in the millions.

The reason that the season hasn't been called off is the tv money - if BT Sport don't get their rugby then they aren't going to pay for it. The contract for premiership rugby was signed back in 2015, and was said to be worth more than the previous deal which was £152 for 4 seasons, or £38m per season. If we assume that the  the contract is worth £50m per season then each of the premiership members (and there are 13) gets £3.8m per season. At the moment there are 9 rounds to go plus the playoffs, so it's not a big leap to say that up to 50% of the tv money for the season is yet to be paid out - that would be £1.9m per club which is therefore at risk if they don't play the rest of the season. On top of that there is also the tv money for the European competitions.

The current premiership tv contract runs out at the end of the 2020-21 season, so the league are also under pressure to prove that the game is viable and worth something to broadcasters, otherwise there won't be a deal, or the value of it will be massively reduced.
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: deadlyfrom5yardsout on Wednesday 20-May-2020, 09:38*
£11m or £12.9m loss.....doesn't seem terminal from that perspective.
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: East Sussex Chris on Wednesday 20-May-2020, 10:12*
You need to remember that's Quins  Premiership Rugby that's losing that money not the whole organization, However, in theses times the other off shoot companies are probably losing money now, so things can't be great for us and all the other clubs.
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: dr_miles on Wednesday 20-May-2020, 10:17*
£11m or £12.9m loss.....doesn't seem terminal from that perspective.

As I wrote, £11m was over two seasons.

The losses of 2018/19 were £5m, so add on £2m of tv money plus all ticket revenue (and potential refunds), bar sales, use of ground for other purposes (e.g. hockey, international hosting) - that could easily increase the losses for this season to £10m. It may be offset by CVC money, but that also reduces future income.

And next season? If there's no rugby and can be no events then your income is £0, and your losses will be even greater.
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: dr_miles on Wednesday 20-May-2020, 11:48*
More fears about club finances - https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/may/20/fear-among-premiership-players-that-some-clubs-could-go-bust-by-christmas?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: deadlyfrom5yardsout on Wednesday 20-May-2020, 11:54*
If there is behind closed doors Rugby then mayhaps you can make a Subscription Streaming Service work I suppose......Would mean we are not hamstrung and beholden to TV companies. They only show our Home games anyway!

Not sure how I feel about the demise of Harlequins FC Ltd to be honest. In fact it may signal a return to a more Amateur game which may or may not be a good thing. If the Stoop becomes a housing estate then I'm quite sure the Harlequins name will survive and live on.
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: dr_miles on Wednesday 20-May-2020, 11:56*
If the club folds then presumably all player contracts are voided and they can sign for any other club - if they are still going.
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: deadlyfrom5yardsout on Wednesday 20-May-2020, 12:01*
Yes then there will Harlequins FC (2020) Ltd....
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: baggie on Wednesday 20-May-2020, 16:17*
What about those of us who have had the virus and recovered ? If you get it the survival rate is over 98%

I am aged 66 with no underlying health issues ... I recently tested “negative” for the virus but the test also revealed that I have the antibodies in my system which confirm I have had the virus and this will stop me getting it again

There must be millions like me who have had the virus and recovered without medical intervention ... we fall outside any statistics and therefore do not influence government policy

As far as I am concerned if Quins were playing on Saturday I could attend without fear of catching the virus or transmitting it ... unless I am missing something !

Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: honkytonk on Wednesday 20-May-2020, 16:29*
I agree with baggie in terms of the amount of people that must have had the virus and not realised at the time.  Look at the pictures of the beaches today, If people were allowed back to watch sport, I think there would be some surprise about how many would go.
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: Carbonm on Wednesday 20-May-2020, 16:37*
How do you get the test? This could be the case for a lot of people so could be the way forward if this was widely available.

What about those of us who have had the virus and recovered ? If you get it the survival rate is over 98%

I am aged 66 with no underlying health issues ... I recently tested “negative” for the virus but the test also revealed that I have the antibodies in my system which confirm I have had the virus and this will stop me getting it again

There must be millions like me who have had the virus and recovered without medical intervention ... we fall outside any statistics and therefore do not influence government policy

As far as I am concerned if Quins were playing on Saturday I could attend without fear of catching the virus or transmitting it ... unless I am missing something !
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: Fearless Fred on Wednesday 20-May-2020, 16:49*
Just to note : There are very big questions still over the implications of a positive result. If there are antibodies in your blood, it certainly means you have had Covid-19, and you may be immune to getting it again. But nobody knows what level of immunity is conferred, whether some people have an antibody response that gives them greater immunity than other people and how long that immunity lasts.
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: JammyGit on Wednesday 20-May-2020, 16:55*
I'd also stress that the survival rate might be 98%, but there's a big old difference between "survival" and "unaffected".
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: Domestos on Wednesday 20-May-2020, 17:21*
I'd also stress that the survival rate might be 98%, but there's a big old difference between "survival" and "unaffected".

And you might be one of the 2%.
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: Quinky on Wednesday 20-May-2020, 17:28*
To counter the point about losses, whilst no rugby is being played the overheads will be lower. Add in the furlough scheme and there is at least some offset to the reduced income.

I understand in football,only a small portion of their income is from ticket money. The majority is from TV, sponsorship and merchandise.

I'm not suggesting that Quins could survive on that basis. But I wonder how much of the gate receipts could be covered by a short term pay per view televised game. In support of the club I'd be willing to pay over the top to watch games. Say, £20 per game. They'd lose out on ancillary profits - bars, concessions, programmes etc - but with more televised games that would open up further sponsorship options.
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: Monte on Wednesday 20-May-2020, 19:53*
Good to see positive thinkers out in force it is less deadly than SARS and Mers that some of us have already survived and less contagious in kids than flu. The under 60s need to get out there  unless they have underlying symptoms and live .... it is less dangerous for the kids to be in school than walking to school. We have to learn to live with this or life will pass us by.
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: Brown Bottle on Wednesday 20-May-2020, 23:20*
Good to see positive thinkers out in force it is less deadly than SARS and Mers that some of us have already survived and less contagious in kids than flu. The under 60s need to get out there  unless they have underlying symptoms and live .... it is less dangerous for the kids to be in school than walking to school. We have to learn to live with this or life will pass us by.

Absolutely. Get them all out there. Herd immunity or let the virus kill itself off.

Buggered if I’m taking part in that experiment, though.
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: Rocker on Thursday 21-May-2020, 07:59*
This can't carry on for ever or the entire country will be bankrupt, let alone rugby. If people are going to work on trains and buses to sit in offices then you might as well go to a rugby match.
There seems to be increasing evidence that transmission in an outdoor environment is negligible.
It doesn't seem to be truly airborne like flu or the common cold, transmission rates within households are far too low, but spread by droplets and bodily fluids.
I'd be back tomorrow if there was rugby.
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: Boonie on Thursday 21-May-2020, 08:52*
This can't carry on for ever or the entire country will be bankrupt, let alone rugby. If people are going to work on trains and buses to sit in offices then you might as well go to a rugby match.
There seems to be increasing evidence that transmission in an outdoor environment is negligible.
It doesn't seem to be truly airborne like flu or the common cold, transmission rates within households are far too low, but spread by droplets and bodily fluids.
I'd be back tomorrow if there was rugby.

So - one sneeze in the West Stand, and dozens infected?

As someone in the high risk category, I'm happy to let others test out the negligible outdoor transmission "theory". Good luck.
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: JammyGit on Thursday 21-May-2020, 08:54*
Good to see positive thinkers out in force it is less deadly than SARS and Mers that some of us have already survived and less contagious in kids than flu. The under 60s need to get out there  unless they have underlying symptoms and live .... it is less dangerous for the kids to be in school than walking to school. We have to learn to live with this or life will pass us by.

cool, SARS killed 774 people worldwide and MERS managed 866. We've had 35k "official" COVID-19 deaths in this country alone in the space of a few months - and millions of infected, with many survivors badly affected by it, potentially for life. And that's with lockdown.

Saying COVID-19 is less deadly than SARS and MERS is missing the point. Yes, if those two were endemic things would be even worse.
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: dr_miles on Thursday 21-May-2020, 10:50*
This can't carry on for ever or the entire country will be bankrupt, let alone rugby. If people are going to work on trains and buses to sit in offices then you might as well go to a rugby match.
There seems to be increasing evidence that transmission in an outdoor environment is negligible.
It doesn't seem to be truly airborne like flu or the common cold, transmission rates within households are far too low, but spread by droplets and bodily fluids.
I'd be back tomorrow if there was rugby.

It does seem mad that rugby players, coaching staff and all the other people who work at the stadium aren't willing to put their lives and the lives of those around them at risk so that I can be entertained.

Maybe they should work a few shifts picking fruit and veg for minimum wage to see how quickly they change their minds!
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: deadlyfrom5yardsout on Thursday 21-May-2020, 11:09*
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-52747112
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: MadMax on Thursday 21-May-2020, 11:26*
Absolutely. Get them all out there. Herd immunity or let the virus kill itself off.

Buggered if I’m taking part in that experiment, though.

Agreed but I've got a few people I'd like to nominate to take my place though!
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: deadlyfrom5yardsout on Thursday 21-May-2020, 11:30*
1. The Gov't approved Antibody tests are not yet available but non Gov't approved ones are becoming available. These are the tests to establish if you have already had a bout of CV19 and recovered.
2. Tests to see if you currently have CV19 seem fairly freely available although not all these are Gov't approved.
These are Antigen Tests and will only tell you if you currently have CV19 NOT if you have had it previously.
3.It is unknown whether you gain any immunity from having already had a bout of CV19. General Medical Consensus is that it is safer to assume that any immunity gained will NOT prevent you from suffering another bout of CV19. Especially as the virus is already showing signs of mutating.
4. Any airborne virus "aerosols" are less dangerous than contact with hard surfaces infected by carriers of CV19. The wearing of a face mask is very much for the protection of other people from YOU!
5. Younger people are less likely to die from CV19 but there is nothing stopping them from being "SuperSpreaders" and carriers of the Virus.
6. Social distancing is nigh on impossible to enforce, especially in supermarkets and on public transport. Everyone should wear a face mask and use hand gel to protect others. The vehicles should be cleaned at the end of every journey.
7. It may seem that we have been in this crisis for a very long time but in terms of actual medical data to be analysed and recommended against as to how best to deal with CV19, it is embryonic.
8. I really really hate the Media and Politicians making statements based on 20/20 hindsight. It seriously annoys me because some members of the Public actually believe what they hear.

All in All, Professor Deadly says you should listen to the Government Medical Advice, apply a huge dollop of good old British Common Sense and stay safe in any way possible.
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: deadlyfrom5yardsout on Thursday 21-May-2020, 11:32*
Oh, and we need a Vaccine STAT!
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: Harlequinade on Thursday 21-May-2020, 14:04*
Even good Antigen tests have a small but significant false positive rate.(even the really good Roche one that the government is adopting) Given the likely prior infection rates of Covid 19 in the population as a whole (small) then a positive result for any individual is not conclusive. see "Base Rate Fallacy"
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: stoquin on Friday 22-May-2020, 10:24*
If it is being said the players need 2 months to get match fit and that indicates a start in August and I suspect that is optimistic.

Why oh why is the need to finish this season so critical, why not abandon and start next season on time and have any games before the usual start as warm ups.

I know it is down to money from sponsors but the incessant push to complete this season is madness.

1. It will mess up timings for next season and probably one after that
2. International Windows will be messed up
3. Many players will have changed clubs  at end of June

It makes more sense to me to financially write off this season, assuming most clubs can (some seem to have enough money to make big signing commitments still). Let's get off to a good start in Sept for next season and get the status quo established.

Unfortunately after 3+ years of hard luck!! it looks like Exeter suffer/miss out once again
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: never sleep on Friday 22-May-2020, 10:45*
I would feel sorry for the players that have put their bodies on the line in games to get us through to the Premier Cup final to be then told that we are not going to give them the possibility of glory of lifting the cup.
In my opinion, they should try to complete.
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: Yareet on Saturday 23-May-2020, 14:29*
I would feel sorry for the players that have put their bodies on the line in games to get us through to the Premier Cup final to be then told that we are not going to give them the possibility of glory of lifting the cup.
In my opinion, they should try to complete.

They wouldn't have won anyway  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: deadlyfrom5yardsout on Sunday 24-May-2020, 09:57*
They wouldn't have won anyway  ;D ;D

Naff off Big Nose! :)
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: stoquin on Sunday 24-May-2020, 16:39*
I'll tell you whats starting to get me slightly ominous, if our season is going to be extended and the championship season is over what does that suppose happens to the cheats.

Will they be playing in two leagues at the same time- next seasons championship and still this seasons premiership.

I am getting a strange felling in my stomach that the re alignment of the whole rugby year will also involve a ring fencing of the premiership with no relegation. Or even more worrying the recently talked about UK super league not sure what happens to those English clubs not in the top league.
Title: Re: Looking Ominous
Post by: Nico Wilson on Thursday 28-May-2020, 11:28*
There's an interesting opinion reported in The Guardian:

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One Bath season-ticket holder wrote in an email: “I do not understand why restarting or finishing the season is even being discussed. Like all the other supporters I have spoken to, I do not want any of the players and staff to be put at risk. The season is over. Go away, keep fit and come back for a slightly later pre-season. No team is crowned champions. And forget the European competitions for a year. I, and many other fans, have no interest in television games behind closed doors.”

Full article: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/may/28/rugby-union-players-must-have-the-final-say-on-when-it-is-safe-to-resume