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Rugby => ComeAllWithin Board => Topic started by: Samquin on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 12:04*
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https://www.quins.co.uk/news/harlequins-announce-squad-to-play-bath-rugby/
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Harlequins announce squad to play Bath Rugby
Friday, 14th September 2018 @ 12:00
Luke Wallace and Dino Lamb return to starting XV with the backs unchanged from Northampton trip.
Head of Rugby Paul Gustard has named his squad for Harlequins’ home fixture against Bath Rugby in the Gallagher Premiership tomorrow afternoon (kick-off: 15:00).
The backs are unchanged from the starting XV that travelled to Northampton last week while Luke Wallace and Dino Lamb return in the forwards. Joe Marler, who was a late withdrawal from the Northampton match with a dead leg, joins the returning Dave Ward among Quins’ Game Changers.
Harlequins enjoyed an excellent start to the season at The Stoop with a 51-23 victory over Sale but were disappointed to lose at Northampton 25-18 last Friday night.
Gustard said: “Both Gallagher Premiership games have shown different areas of good rugby for us and the more we exhibit those characteristics and behaviours, the more competitive we will become.
“The coaching team has been proud of the courage we have shown in these matches to play the way that all Harlequins supporters can relate to and be proud of.
“Bath have a talented and intelligent coaching group lead by Todd Blackadder who I respect greatly and we are looking forward to the challenge that they will pose.”
Harlequins team to play Bath Rugby (Harlequins appearances)
15. Aaron Morris (19)
14. Nathan Earle (2)
13. Joe Marchant (58)
12. Ben Tapuai (2)
11. Charlie Walker (88)
10. Marcus Smith (30)
9. Danny Care (246)
1. Mark Lambert (236)
2. Elia Elia (18)
3. Will Collier (128)
4. Matt Symons (2)
5. Dino Lamb (11)
6. Luke Wallace (163)
7. Chris Robshaw (Captain, 259)
8. James Chisholm (57)
Game Changers
16. Dave Ward (143)
17. Joe Marler (169)
18. Phil Swainston (10)
19. Stan South (18)
20. Renaldo Bothma (8)
21. Charlie Mulchrone (20)
22. James Lang (24)
23. Paul Lasike (2)
Not considered for selection
Lewis Boyce
Mike Brown
Rob Buchanan
Demetri Catrakilis
Jack Clifford
Alex Dombrandt
James Horwill
Josh Ibuanokpe
Mat Luamanu
Josh McNulty
George Merrick
Francis Saili
Kyle Sinckler
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wallace at 6 and chris at 7
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wallace at 6 and chris at 7
Numbers on the shirt may not mean much in terms of the roles that the pair of them play on the field...
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And here's the opposition lineup:
Bath Rugby team to face Harlequins
15 Tom Homer
14 Semesa Rokoduguni
13 Jackson Willison
12 Jamie Roberts
11 Joe Cokanasiga
10 Freddie Burns
9 Max Green
1 Nathan Catt
2 Tom Dunn
3 Henry Thomas
4 Elliott Stooke
5 Luke Charteris (c)
6 Tom Ellis
7 Sam Underhill
8 Zach Mercer
Replacements
16 Jack Walker
17 Jacques van Rooyen
18 Anthony Perenise
19 Charlie Ewels
20 Taulupe Faletau
21 Chris Cook
22 Rhys Priestland
23 Aled Brew
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Still no Visser 🤔 Good looking squad though!
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wallace at 6 and chris at 7
Numbers on the shirt may not mean much in terms of the roles that the pair of them play on the field...
Ah that is true, I hadn't thought of that
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I know you can't ever expect zero injuries but I count at least 7 members of a full strength 23 as unavailable.
Interesting that Visser, Swiel and Alofa are available but not picked.
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Swiel came off injured Monday night. Not sure Morris/Walker or Earle have done anything to be replaced, likewise Marchant
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I'm confused about what 'Not considered for selection' means. As Luamanu & Dombrandt both played on Monday night and came through unscathed, are they not considered to be at full fitness yet ?
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Swiel isnt listed as unavailable. Just that Lasike is preferred to him or Alofa for the 23 shirt. Which is a fair call, but interesting as showing a management choice. Just as Walker is ahead of Visser on the wing in their eyes.
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I'm confused about what 'Not considered for selection' means. As Luamanu & Dombrandt both played on Monday night and came through unscathed, are they not considered to be at full fitness yet ?
We have no clue what it means -- brown is injured, for example, wearing wrist strapping in a pic that DC put out last night on twitter.
Others are just not making the cut.
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“Not considered for selection” is clever wording and I believe it’s designed to keep the opposition guessing. It will cover the full spectrum from injuries through to “not good enough”.
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But there are players like Auterac, Semi and Crumpton not listed
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But there are players like Auterac, Semi and Crumpton not listed
Presumably they were considered for selection but not picked in the end...
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True. I still think it is injured players / those not quite fit enough to play
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so players not available for selection as opposed to those not listed who were considered but weren't picked
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Yeah!!!
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so players not available for selection as opposed to those not listed who were considered but weren't picked
Well you'd think.
It would seem to make sense that all the players on the list couldn't play even if Gustard wanted them to because of injury.
So any players not on the list or in the team are simply not considered to be making the cut.
Right?
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swapping the word ' considered ' for 'available' would be less confusing .
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only if our assumptions in the last few threads are right!
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the not considered for selection the same as last Friday's announcement (except for Wallace and Lamb)maybe the intern didn't remove or update it fully
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It is confusing as Swuel us injured but not on that list
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It is confusing as Swuel us injured but not on that list
Depends how bad the knock/strain was that he picked up on Monday. Could be he was able to ease it off over Wednesday/Thursday enough to be classed as "game fit".
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I still think it is a little harsh to say he was available
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It is confusing as Swuel us injured but not on that list
He's not injured is he? He's just as rubbish as we've thought for the past two years.
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A little harsh - he has normally looked good when he turns out for the a-league
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“Not considered for selection” is clever wording and I believe it’s designed to keep the opposition guessing. It will cover the full spectrum from injuries through to “not good enough”.
It's not that clever. Just don't do the list at all. Not sure what possible benefit theee could be.
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It is confusing as Swuel us injured but not on that list
He's not injured is he? He's just as rubbish as we've thought for the past two years.
Is that the royal 'we' as I've always thought he was a decent enough squad player still in developement
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I've never thought of Swiel as rubbish.
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It is confusing as Swuel us injured but not on that list
He's not injured is he? He's just as rubbish as we've thought for the past two years.
Is that the royal 'we' as I've always thought he was a decent enough squad player still in developement
Yeah ok he's not rubbish but I was dead excited on his first season promise and I think that JK and the coaching staff then messed about with him and tried to turn him into Brown's replacement at 15 (or is that 11). So actually think he deserves a crack at 10 at some point -- but lord knows with Cat etc what's happening.
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Swiel was pretty good for the A team. Surprised not to see Semi in the 23.
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Swiel was pretty good for the A team. Surprised not to see Semi in the 23.
As long as we get the win there will be plenty of semis at the ground.
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It is confusing as Swuel us injured but not on that list
He's not injured is he? He's just as rubbish as we've thought for the past two years.
Yes he is injured he came off during the A game on Monday
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I think that Swiel could be the perfect person to have on the bench. He can cover FH, FB or wing. He is seriously quick. His kicking from the tee is better than average. His kicking from the hand isn't bad. Generally looks ok.
I consider Ross Chisholm in the same category.
Both Ross and Tim have come onto the field and changed the momentum of the game and we have won games.
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But ultimately, the issue is with the "not considered" list sowing confusion. You'd think it would be simple, but the list seems to over-complicate things unnecessarily...
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Swirl was good, but went off, presumably injured after 20 min.
Visser worked hard as usual, and the new No 8 looks excellent.
That said we have a good back line and an impact full bench. Getting Horwill back will make a big difference
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It is confusing as Swuel us injured but not on that list
He's not injured is he? He's just as rubbish as we've thought for the past two years.
Get down off the fence and tell us what you really think
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I suppose the question should be - is there anyone we think is fit, that we also think should be in the 22.
I've watched the A-League and thought Semi was uninspiring - he just kept picking the ball up at the ruck and going on his own.
Jack Kenningham(SP?) has had much more impact
Luamanu - was awful (no surprise)
Swiel - looks useful but not getting in ahead of Smith or Lang
Visser - not sure he does enough to convince Gussy of a place
It appears that there is a hierarchy in the squad at the moment - injuries and form will change that.
Lamb is ahead of Glynn
Lasike ahead of Alofa
Walker, Earle ahead of Visser
Mulchrone ahead of Lewis
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Awful is a bit strong for Luamanu
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Awful is a bit strong for Luamanu
For a bloke of his size, he persistently failed to bludgeon A league opposition and break the gain line. Was very disappointing on Monday
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Walker, Earle & Ibitoye ahead of Visser
Fixed it for you ;D
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So is it Swiel, Swuel or Swirl? I'm confused.
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Awful is a bit strong for Luamanu
For a bloke of his size, he persistently failed to bludgeon A league opposition and break the gain line. Was very disappointing on Monday
Agree he wasn’t ‘awful’, but also agree he never seems to be dominant in his carrying. He’s been well overtaken by Bothma and Chis at 8, but isn’t even the kind of impact player that would be ideal. Moving him to lock seems sensible.
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Luamanu won't have as much impact from lock. When he joined us he seemed to be swatting players off, and making ground. Last season he seemed to be doing not so well, but that could be said about most of the squad.
Whatever people think of Big Mat, he continues to be selected in the Samoa squad. Maybe he just hasn't been used by Quins very well?
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I thought he went fine on Monday and got through plenty of graft. Bristol's defence was up very quick, especially in the first half, so it's no surprise he wasn't making a lot of ground carrying.
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Ahead of Luamanu at No 8 are a current international captain, an England international (albeit one who seems to be permanently crocked) and a former JRWC captain (who you would hope would get a crack at the senior squad if he stays fit, in 2020 if not before). It’s not surprising that we don’t see him much in the first team.
I’d like to see if Gustard and Quins can do for Mat what Sarries have done for Will Skelton. Skelton was an overweight lump last season but has lost about half a ton over the summer and looks far better for it. I think Luamanu could be far more effective at both lock and No 8 if he could lose some of the bulk.
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Luamanu won't have as much impact from lock. When he joined us he seemed to be swatting players off, and making ground. Last season he seemed to be doing not so well, but that could be said about most of the squad.
Whatever people think of Big Mat, he continues to be selected in the Samoa squad. Maybe he just hasn't been used by Quins very well?
It could be that Samoa don't have a lot of depth and aren't very good. Tier 2 rugby sides pick whoever they can, and he's the only 8 in their squad. Hell, they've been forced to rely on a bunch of 35+ year olds recently.
There's a good player in there somewhere but his fitness doesn't appear to be up to the task of making a regular impact.
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... a former JRWC captain (who you would hope would get a crack at the senior squad if he stays fit, in 2020 if not before).
Who was also Junior World Player of the Year.
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No Marler again??
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No Marler again??
On the bench after a dead leg kept him out last week, came on at half time & scored a try ;)
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Yes I realised that after he came on, I thought he was named in the starting XV.
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Luamanu won't have as much impact from lock. When he joined us he seemed to be swatting players off, and making ground. Last season he seemed to be doing not so well, but that could be said about most of the squad.
Whatever people think of Big Mat, he continues to be selected in the Samoa squad. Maybe he just hasn't been used by Quins very well?
It could be that Samoa don't have a lot of depth and aren't very good. Tier 2 rugby sides pick whoever they can, and he's the only 8 in their squad. Hell, they've been forced to rely on a bunch of 35+ year olds recently.
There's a good player in there somewhere but his fitness doesn't appear to be up to the task of making a regular impact.
This.
Saying that a player must be good because they play for their national team is a bit of a nonsense when that team is Poland, Namibia or a tier 2 nation with limited options. Of course the pacific island teams have some great players, but also some distinctly average ones
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I think that Namibia is a different situation. Historically, they posted as a province in the curry cup. So they have always played at a high level