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Title: Teams up
Post by: Samquin on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 12:04*
https://www.quins.co.uk/news/harlequins-announce-squad-to-play-bath-rugby/
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: Fearless Fred on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 12:05*
Harlequins announce squad to play Bath Rugby
Friday, 14th September 2018 @ 12:00



Luke Wallace and Dino Lamb return to starting XV with the backs unchanged from Northampton trip.
Head of Rugby Paul Gustard has named his squad for Harlequins’ home fixture against Bath Rugby in the Gallagher Premiership tomorrow afternoon (kick-off: 15:00).

The backs are unchanged from the starting XV that travelled to Northampton last week while Luke Wallace and Dino Lamb return in the forwards. Joe Marler, who was a late withdrawal from the Northampton match with a dead leg, joins the returning Dave Ward among Quins’ Game Changers.

Harlequins enjoyed an excellent start to the season at The Stoop with a 51-23 victory over Sale but were disappointed to lose at Northampton 25-18 last Friday night.

Gustard said: “Both Gallagher Premiership games have shown different areas of good rugby for us and the more we exhibit those characteristics and behaviours, the more competitive we will become.

“The coaching team has been proud of the courage we have shown in these matches to play the way that all Harlequins supporters can relate to and be proud of.

“Bath have a talented and intelligent coaching group lead by Todd Blackadder who I respect greatly and we are looking forward to the challenge that they will pose.”

Harlequins team to play Bath Rugby (Harlequins appearances)

15. Aaron Morris (19)
14. Nathan Earle (2)
13. Joe Marchant (58)
12. Ben Tapuai (2)
11. Charlie Walker (88)
10. Marcus Smith (30)
9. Danny Care (246)

1. Mark Lambert (236)
2. Elia Elia (18)
3. Will Collier (128)
4. Matt Symons (2)
5. Dino Lamb (11)
6. Luke Wallace (163)
7. Chris Robshaw (Captain, 259)
8. James Chisholm (57)

Game Changers
16. Dave Ward (143)
17. Joe Marler (169)
18. Phil Swainston (10)
19. Stan South (18)
20. Renaldo Bothma (8)
21. Charlie Mulchrone (20)
22. James Lang (24)
23. Paul Lasike (2)

Not considered for selection
Lewis Boyce
Mike Brown
Rob Buchanan
Demetri Catrakilis
Jack Clifford
Alex Dombrandt
James Horwill
Josh Ibuanokpe
Mat Luamanu
Josh McNulty
George Merrick
Francis Saili
Kyle Sinckler
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: Le Tiss on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 12:12*
wallace at 6 and chris at 7
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: Fearless Fred on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 12:14*
wallace at 6 and chris at 7

Numbers on the shirt may not mean much in terms of the roles that the pair of them play on the field...
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: Fearless Fred on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 12:17*
And here's the opposition lineup:

Bath Rugby team to face Harlequins
15      Tom Homer
14      Semesa Rokoduguni
13      Jackson Willison
12      Jamie Roberts
11      Joe Cokanasiga
10      Freddie Burns
9        Max Green
1        Nathan Catt
2        Tom Dunn
3        Henry Thomas
4        Elliott Stooke
5        Luke Charteris (c)
6        Tom Ellis
7        Sam Underhill
8        Zach Mercer
Replacements
16      Jack Walker
17      Jacques van Rooyen
18      Anthony Perenise
19      Charlie Ewels
20      Taulupe Faletau
21      Chris Cook
22      Rhys Priestland
23      Aled Brew
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: Everyone’s a Quinner on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 12:18*
Still no Visser 🤔 Good looking squad though!
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: Le Tiss on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 12:21*
wallace at 6 and chris at 7

Numbers on the shirt may not mean much in terms of the roles that the pair of them play on the field...

Ah that is true, I hadn't thought of that
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: euroquin on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 12:22*
I know you can't ever expect zero injuries but I count at least 7 members of a full strength 23 as unavailable.

Interesting that Visser, Swiel and Alofa are available but not picked.
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: honkytonk on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 12:27*
Swiel came off injured Monday night.  Not sure Morris/Walker or Earle have done anything to be replaced, likewise Marchant
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: Neil Quinnock on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 12:30*
I'm confused about what 'Not considered for selection' means. As Luamanu & Dombrandt both played on Monday night and came through unscathed, are they not considered to be at full fitness yet ?
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: euroquin on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 12:33*
Swiel isnt listed as unavailable. Just that Lasike is preferred to him or Alofa for the 23 shirt. Which is a fair call, but interesting as showing a management choice. Just as Walker is ahead of Visser on the wing in their eyes.
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: Gone on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 12:35*
I'm confused about what 'Not considered for selection' means. As Luamanu & Dombrandt both played on Monday night and came through unscathed, are they not considered to be at full fitness yet ?

We have no clue what it means -- brown is injured, for example, wearing wrist strapping in a pic that DC put out last night on twitter.

Others are just not making the cut.
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: Nico Wilson on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 12:50*
“Not considered for selection” is clever wording and I believe it’s designed to keep the opposition guessing. It will cover the full spectrum from injuries through to “not good enough”.
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: honkytonk on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 12:52*
But there are players like Auterac, Semi and Crumpton not listed
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: Fearless Fred on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 12:59*
But there are players like Auterac, Semi and Crumpton not listed

Presumably they were considered for selection but not picked in the end...
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: honkytonk on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 13:03*
True. I still think it is injured players / those not quite fit enough to play
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: stoquin on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 13:13*
so players not available for selection as opposed to those not listed who were considered but weren't picked
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: honkytonk on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 13:17*
Yeah!!!
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: Gone on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 13:18*
so players not available for selection as opposed to those not listed who were considered but weren't picked

Well you'd think.

It would seem to make sense that all the players on the list couldn't play even if Gustard wanted them to because of injury.

So any players not on the list or in the team are simply not considered to be making the cut.

Right?
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: Chipstead Quin on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 13:45*
swapping the word ' considered ' for 'available' would be less confusing  .   

Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: stoquin on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 14:10*
only if our assumptions in the last few threads are right!
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: AdrianB on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 14:50*
 the not considered for selection the same as last Friday's announcement (except for Wallace and Lamb)maybe the intern didn't remove or update it fully
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: Quins Head on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 14:58*
It is confusing as Swuel us injured but not on that list
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: Fearless Fred on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 15:04*
It is confusing as Swuel us injured but not on that list

Depends how bad the knock/strain was that he picked up on Monday. Could be he was able to ease it off over Wednesday/Thursday enough to be classed as "game fit".
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: Quins Head on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 15:15*
I still think it is a little harsh to say he was available
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: Gone on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 15:17*
It is confusing as Swuel us injured but not on that list

He's not injured is he? He's just as rubbish as we've thought for the past two years.
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: never sleep on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 15:33*
A little harsh - he has normally looked good when he turns out for the a-league
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: RodneyRegis on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 15:36*
“Not considered for selection” is clever wording and I believe it’s designed to keep the opposition guessing. It will cover the full spectrum from injuries through to “not good enough”.

It's not that clever. Just don't do the list at all. Not sure what possible benefit theee could be.
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: fandg2 on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 15:37*
It is confusing as Swuel us injured but not on that list

He's not injured is he? He's just as rubbish as we've thought for the past two years.

Is that the royal 'we' as I've always thought he was a decent enough squad player still in developement
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: DOK on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 15:45*
I've never thought of Swiel as rubbish.
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: Gone on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 15:48*
It is confusing as Swuel us injured but not on that list

He's not injured is he? He's just as rubbish as we've thought for the past two years.

Is that the royal 'we' as I've always thought he was a decent enough squad player still in developement

Yeah ok he's not rubbish but I was dead excited on his first season promise and I think that JK and the coaching staff then messed about with him and tried to turn him into Brown's replacement at 15 (or is that 11). So actually think he deserves a crack at 10 at some point -- but lord knows with Cat etc what's happening.
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: harlequins on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 15:57*
Swiel was pretty good for the A team. Surprised not to see Semi in the 23.
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: Quinten Poulsen on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 16:00*
Swiel was pretty good for the A team. Surprised not to see Semi in the 23.

As long as we get the win there will be plenty of semis at the ground.
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: Quins Head on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 16:03*
It is confusing as Swuel us injured but not on that list

He's not injured is he? He's just as rubbish as we've thought for the past two years.

Yes he is injured he came off during the A game on Monday
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: never sleep on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 16:21*
I think that Swiel could be the perfect person to have on the bench. He can cover FH, FB or wing.  He is seriously quick. His kicking from the tee is better than average.  His kicking from the hand isn't bad.  Generally looks ok. 
I consider Ross Chisholm in the same category.
Both Ross and Tim have come onto the field and changed the momentum of the game and we have won games. 
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: Boonie on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 16:30*
But ultimately, the issue is with the "not considered" list sowing confusion. You'd think it would be simple, but the list seems to over-complicate things unnecessarily...
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: rdc on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 17:51*
Swirl was good, but went off, presumably injured after 20 min.

Visser worked hard as usual, and the new No 8 looks excellent.

That said we have a good back line and an impact full bench.  Getting Horwill back will make a big difference
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: You Shall Not Pass on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 18:50*
It is confusing as Swuel us injured but not on that list

He's not injured is he? He's just as rubbish as we've thought for the past two years.

Get down off the fence and tell us what you really think
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: NevsLeftBoot on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 19:00*
I suppose the question should be - is there anyone we think is fit, that we also think should be in the 22.

I've watched the A-League and thought Semi was uninspiring - he just kept picking the ball up at the ruck and going on his own.
Jack Kenningham(SP?) has had much more impact
Luamanu - was awful (no surprise)
Swiel - looks useful but not getting in ahead of Smith or Lang
Visser - not sure he does enough to convince Gussy of a place

It appears that there is a hierarchy in the squad at the moment - injuries and form will change that.

Lamb is ahead of Glynn
Lasike ahead of Alofa
Walker, Earle ahead of Visser
Mulchrone ahead of Lewis
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: raedarius on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 20:56*
Awful is a bit strong for Luamanu
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: TeddingtonQuin on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 21:11*
Awful is a bit strong for Luamanu

For a bloke of his size, he persistently failed to bludgeon A league opposition and break the gain line. Was very disappointing on Monday
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: TeddingtonQuin on Friday 14-Sep-2018, 21:13*

Walker, Earle & Ibitoye ahead of Visser


Fixed it for you  ;D
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: deadlyfrom5yardsout on Saturday 15-Sep-2018, 09:49*
So is it Swiel, Swuel or Swirl? I'm confused.
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: Cookie on Saturday 15-Sep-2018, 11:21*
Awful is a bit strong for Luamanu

For a bloke of his size, he persistently failed to bludgeon A league opposition and break the gain line. Was very disappointing on Monday

Agree he wasn’t ‘awful’, but also agree he never seems to be dominant in his carrying. He’s been well overtaken by Bothma and Chis at 8, but isn’t even the kind of impact player that would be ideal. Moving him to lock seems sensible.
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: Quinky on Saturday 15-Sep-2018, 11:33*
Luamanu won't have as much impact from lock. When he joined us he seemed to be swatting players off, and making ground. Last season he seemed to be doing not so well, but that could be said about most of the squad.

Whatever people think of Big Mat, he continues to be selected in the Samoa squad. Maybe he just hasn't been used by Quins very well?
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: Quinten Poulsen on Saturday 15-Sep-2018, 11:41*
I thought he went fine on Monday and got through plenty of graft. Bristol's defence was up very quick, especially in the first half, so it's no surprise he wasn't making a lot of ground carrying.
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: poorfour on Saturday 15-Sep-2018, 12:31*
Ahead of Luamanu at No 8 are a current international captain, an England international (albeit one who seems to be permanently crocked) and a former JRWC captain (who you would hope would get a crack at the senior squad if he stays fit, in 2020 if not before). It’s not surprising that we don’t see him much in the first team.

I’d like to see if Gustard and Quins can do for Mat what Sarries have done for Will Skelton. Skelton was an overweight lump last season but has lost about half a ton over the summer and looks far better for it. I think Luamanu could be far more effective at both lock and No 8 if he could lose some of the bulk.
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: JammyGit on Saturday 15-Sep-2018, 13:23*
Luamanu won't have as much impact from lock. When he joined us he seemed to be swatting players off, and making ground. Last season he seemed to be doing not so well, but that could be said about most of the squad.

Whatever people think of Big Mat, he continues to be selected in the Samoa squad. Maybe he just hasn't been used by Quins very well?

It could be that Samoa don't have a lot of depth and aren't very good. Tier 2 rugby sides pick whoever they can, and he's the only 8 in their squad. Hell, they've been forced to rely on a bunch of 35+ year olds recently.

There's a good player in there somewhere but his fitness doesn't appear to be up to the task of making a regular impact.
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: Quinky on Saturday 15-Sep-2018, 13:27*
... a former JRWC captain (who you would hope would get a crack at the senior squad if he stays fit, in 2020 if not before).

Who was also Junior World Player of the Year.
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: Rocker on Saturday 15-Sep-2018, 15:43*
No Marler again??
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: Fearless Fred on Saturday 15-Sep-2018, 20:01*
No Marler again??

On the bench after a dead leg kept him out last week, came on at half time & scored a try ;)
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: Rocker on Saturday 15-Sep-2018, 21:09*
Yes I realised that after he came on, I thought he was named in the starting XV.
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: T-Bone on Monday 17-Sep-2018, 18:33*
Luamanu won't have as much impact from lock. When he joined us he seemed to be swatting players off, and making ground. Last season he seemed to be doing not so well, but that could be said about most of the squad.

Whatever people think of Big Mat, he continues to be selected in the Samoa squad. Maybe he just hasn't been used by Quins very well?

It could be that Samoa don't have a lot of depth and aren't very good. Tier 2 rugby sides pick whoever they can, and he's the only 8 in their squad. Hell, they've been forced to rely on a bunch of 35+ year olds recently.

There's a good player in there somewhere but his fitness doesn't appear to be up to the task of making a regular impact.

This.

Saying that a player must be good because they play for their national team is a bit of a nonsense when that team is Poland, Namibia or a tier 2 nation with limited options. Of course the pacific island teams have some great players, but also some distinctly average ones 
Title: Re: Teams up
Post by: never sleep on Monday 17-Sep-2018, 20:06*
I think that Namibia is a different situation. Historically, they posted as a province in the curry cup.  So they have always played at a high level