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General Category => Everything not rugby related! => Topic started by: Quinten Poulsen on Sunday 06-Feb-2022, 15:52*
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I think most people are willing to risk getting something resembling a cold.
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man up . it's now a cold . if your not happy go live like a mushroom
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Each person must make their own judgement - but there’s been no mask requirement in hospitality or outdoor locations for six months and there’s now no requirement to wear them anywhere.
As it goes, we wear them in shops - but there’s no law, guideline or indeed advice to do so.
So I’d say it’s up to you to decide.
We’ve been to England rugby, quins and England football matches since last summer and not caught Covid at any of them.
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It’s down to the individuals own risk assessment now. I think most of us will agree, wearing masks isn’t exactly a Mardi Gras of fun or comfort. Will I wear one? Yes, but only if required. Now we have a choice, I balance it out with my own Circs.
I think in enclosed spaces for extended periods of time like planes, it makes sense, but at sporting events being mostly outdoors? My personal view is the risk is minimal.
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I think most people are willing to risk getting something resembling a cold.
Not sure the 249 people that died yesterday would agree.....
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Not sure the 249 people that died yesterday would agree.....
did they die of covid ? no they didn't
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Over 500,000 people die every year......
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For admins, feel free to delete, but please don't ban me.
Glad to see I have a reputation as some sort of tyrannical ogre!
I don't even ban Bish! On reflection I may have banned a couple of people over the years I've been running a message board, but that was on the sportnetwork board which didn't offer the range of possible sanctions that this createaforum board offers.
Just checked the ban list for the board and the answer is nobody is currently banned.
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Over 500,000 people die every year......
I don’t wish to argue with that number, Rocker, but an extra ~ 85,000 a year - a 17% increase - not something that should be taken lightly, wouldn’t you agree?
(Based on ~ 170,000 excess deaths since pandemic started, 2 years ago and Rockers quoted 500k deaths a year)
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Not sure the 249 people that died yesterday would agree.....
Is the average age of the dead still around 80? I think it is - hence the word most.
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The excess death figure is not a "scientific" number.
There were <7,000 who's deaths were mainly or solely due to COVID from March 20 till Dec 21 according to ONS....
This does not tell the whole story of course as most of those who died of, or with it, were >80 therefore likely had many contributing factors.
If you look at the number of deaths each year it has been increasing for many years other than a few small blips. Probably due to an increasing number of people in the country and more older people who of course are at more risk of dying.
There is we have to remember no possibility (at the moment) of immortality. We are all mortal beings and will at some point die. There are only two certainties in life, death and taxes.
At any rate Omicron has totally changed the picture.
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That is a dramatic misunderstanding of what "with covid" and "of covid" really mean. The vast majority of those people are dead because of covid.
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I don’t suppose we’ll ever know the true numbers as each country uses a different way of measuring reasons for deaths but how many excess deaths are because of covid not from it. Just as another example, a relative died last year and the death certificate had the heart attack that killed them, heart disease, kidney failure, diabetes and covid positive. Guess which statistic gets added to even though it’s not what killed them. They were 82.
I also watched a program where an expert pulled apart all the stats and explained the contexts and how you can manipulate them to show whatever you want if you leave out certain information.
I think most people seem to have decided that rather than not going out or doing anything they would take their chances and go back to as normal as possible.
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They would have been added to the statistic that records whether they had covid when they died. If covid contributed to their death, then that is recorded. The BBC has a primer here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-60000391
Important quote:
"During autumn and the run-up to Christmas, only about 15% of deaths involving Covid in England and Wales did not list Covid as the cause.
In the week after Christmas, that rose to 22%"
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Glad to see I have a reputation as some sort of tyrannical ogre!
I don't even ban Bish! On reflection I may have banned a couple of people over the years I've been running a message board, but that was on the sportnetwork board which didn't offer the range of possible sanctions that this createaforum board offers.
Just checked the ban list for the board and the answer is nobody is currently banned.
i love you Admin 🏴🏴
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But not required in pubs/bars.
Or shops.
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Personally I find this all very confusing & still controversial (-personally, I wear a mask whenever faced with a 'press' of people, whether indoors or out - a perfect example is the exit from West Stand towards the Jason Leonard gate after the match).
What I think would help me see things more objectively would be if they published the stats for other seasonal endemics like 'flu alongside these Covid ones.
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Try this:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/influenzadeathsin20182019and2020
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I think we've had enough of masks, distancing. Time to move on a live with it.
We are living with it.
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Try this:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/influenzadeathsin20182019and2020
Thank you.
So Covid is still much livelier than a 'traditional' endemic; I'll keep wearing a mask in crowded spots until it calms down to more 'normal' levels.
[PS: for whomever said it, just because one is 80+ doesn't mean one is any more 'philosophical' about dying, especially of something caught from an irresponsible, self-indulgent grandchild.]
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For those of you who wish to believe that this is "just a cold", I'll tell you my story and let you make your own minds up.
I had my first vaccine in February 2021 and my second in May 2021. In August, I PCR tested positive for COVID and then 10 days later, tested negative. At the time, I had just a sore throat and achy knees, so I thought I got away with it fairly lightly.
In November, I developed a severe case of pneumonia (both lungs, upper and lower), which resulted in me being hospitalised for a week, on oxygen therapy (at one stage, they were discussing intubating me) and intravenous antibiotics. I caught a secondary pseudomona bug whilst in hospital and was treated for that with several courses of another antibiotic. Given my previous medical history and state of health, the risk of any of this happening should have been extremely low.
I have not been back to work since the end of November as I have good days and bad days and so I was referred to see a respiratory consultant privately mid-January, as I wanted to get to the bottom of why I still felt so ill. After various CT scans, lung function tests, blood tests etc, I had my follow-up consultation yesterday. Turns out that my mild case of COVID wasn't so mild and that I actually had developed COVID pneumonia back in August, and because my body was coping well with the inflammation, it didn't impact on my daily life. When I then caught a bacterial infection in November, my body went into over-drive, hence I ended up in hospital, seriously ill, for a week.
My CT scans show that the "mild" COVID infection, which turned out not to be so mild in the end, has left me with bronchiectasis (lung damage) and has triggered asthma. My respiratory consultant advised me yesterday that they are now coming across more and more patients like myself, who are generally healthy and who are now presenting in hospital with serious chest infections, as a result of damage caused by the previous "mild COVID" infection.
Given my recent experience, I would say under-estimate COVID at your peril.
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It was all a pantomime