ComeAllWithin
Rugby => ComeAllWithin Board => Topic started by: Gone on Monday 24-Dec-2018, 08:30*
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The way the results went this weekend, anyone under 3rd could make the play-offs or get relegated.
Eeeek. Happy Xmas!
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I think its a good thing that its this close. All teams still need to use on so no dead rubbers. Usually by now there is a team giving everyone else a safety blanket I think well see some great rugby in 2nd half of the season.
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Must mean that everybody is sticking to the Celery Cap and the playing field is being levelled.
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Your thoughts please on the situation of the league below. LI and Ealing are neck and neck. What happens if Ealing top the table? Their ground does not qualify for the Premiership will they try and do a London Welsh and go to Oxford?
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I think we’ll finish between 3rd and 5th this season and honestly think we’ll be in the final next season if we improve steadily
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Your thoughts please on the situation of the league below. LI and Ealing are neck and neck. What happens if Ealing top the table? Their ground does not qualify for the Premiership will they try and do a London Welsh and go to Oxford?
Its all about money I think. How far will Ealings backer be prepared to go?
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Ealing are in the process of building a new stand behind the posts (in preparation of London Broncos playing in SL). They have also said that if the need arises, they can build another stand along the side (opposite the current main stand). Would take capacity over 10k
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But I don't think they can do that in the off season!
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We've had several off seasons in the past and managed to build the South Stand!
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Ealing are in the process of building a new stand behind the posts (in preparation of London Broncos playing in SL). They have also said that if the need arises, they can build another stand along the side (opposite the current main stand). Would take capacity over 10k
Ealing is a sports ground, not stadium, they share with a cricket club. If they ever got so far , the entry mode would have to change so that rugby fans don't say they are watching/playing cricket. There is also only 1 way in/out so roads would be a nightmare.
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It looks like they have enough room to build stands on three sides of the artificial pitch, and presumably that could include turnstiles. Parking would be the bigger problem, but my guess is that like Smarties they would run shuttle buses from the local stations.
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Owen Slot in the Times-1st Jan, his prediction 'Premiership Clubs to announce an end to promotion and relegation(yes this was my 2018 prediction,but it is definitely coming) What does he know more than the rest of us?
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To start from when though?? Could be a disaster for someone if it happens from next year!!!!
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Maybe it’s written into the CVC agreement. Nothing new for them to want it - Mark Evans wanted it at the turn of The century
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Owen Slot in the Times-1st Jan, his prediction 'Premiership Clubs to announce an end to promotion and relegation(yes this was my 2018 prediction,but it is definitely coming) What does he know more than the rest of us?
Mandator - can't find this online or was it in the paper only?
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So thats a 13 team premiership then?
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I read this in his column in the paper under 2019 predictions. Not sure if this was online. Could be some form of Franchise model as in the Super 14? but just my humble hunch!
Happy New Year to you all!!
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Owen Slot in the Times-1st Jan, his prediction 'Premiership Clubs to announce an end to promotion and relegation(yes this was my 2018 prediction,but it is definitely coming) What does he know more than the rest of us?
Well normally a lot, it’s his job.
But are you sure that’s the date of the piece - as below it doesn’t appear under his page on times digital and no results on google.
He did say it was coming in as part of an article we discussed a few weeks ago.
He was definitive that the clubs were pushing.
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Absolutely sure Blucherquin. I do not normally buy the Times but did on New Years day as the Telegraph had sold out. Perhaps the Times has a back copy service you could use?
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Absolutely sure Blucherquin. I do not normally buy the Times but did on New Years day as the Telegraph had sold out. Perhaps the Times has a back copy service you could use?
It’s ok, I believe you. And haven’t bought an actual paper in a decade.
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So thats a 13 team premiership then?
All applications welcome perhaps? 13 + 1 maybe? Ealing, quite possibly? Pirates with their new stadium? Even Leeds, established ground, although their rugby is in free fall. An overseas side?
But real risk of too many end of season dead rubbers as unlikely that many seasons could be like this one, when anyone can make top 6. Could be hugely to the detriment of the Prem and rugby quality. Dawson though argues that it would be good for young English players, as they'd get more of a chance, and consequently in longer term the international side.
The rest of the Championship wouldn't care less as it would be a better competition without the club with the parachute payment.
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If the Prem were expanded to 14 teams, we'd have to re-negotiate/restructure all the European competitions again. The Prem teams would want the same number of qualifiers as the Pro 14 get, as would the French. You'd have 21 teams from each domestic competition, so the only easy way to run with that would be to increase the number up to 24, and have 6 pools instead of 5.
That leaves 18 teams to run the Challenge cup places, so you'd still need to have the Russian/Romanian/Georgian qualifiers to increase that up to 20 to have enough teams for that level. All this would have to be haggled out with the Pro 14 no doubt wanting to get their SA teams involved too. It was all very messy last time it was shook up, and I can't imagine it would be any less so in any future negotiations.
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All true FF but maybe the bottom two clubs don't get into Europe? Good incentive not to finish down there.
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All true FF but maybe the bottom two clubs don't get into Europe? Good incentive not to finish down there.
I can't see the Prem teams agreeing to that if it doesn't apply to the other leagues for qualification too. The Pro14 could argue that they'll continue to leave out the SA teams from European qualification, but I doubt that the Top14 teams will agree to leaving out two of their teams too. At the moment they have 6 teams go into the Champions cup automatically (as well as the Challenge Cup winner if they're not already qualified), same as us, with the rest all going into the Challenge Cup draw. Can you imagine the fuss clubs would kick up if two of our top flight teams (in Domestic terms) get no European competition when teams like Zebre do?
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I can't see the Prem teams agreeing to that if it doesn't apply to the other leagues for qualification too. The Pro14 could argue that they'll continue to leave out the SA teams from European qualification, but I doubt that the Top14 teams will agree to leaving out two of their teams too. At the moment they have 6 teams go into the Champions cup automatically (as well as the Challenge Cup winner if they're not already qualified), same as us, with the rest all going into the Challenge Cup draw. Can you imagine the fuss clubs would kick up if two of our top flight teams (in Domestic terms) get no European competition when teams like Zebre do?
Yup, but the Prem would have to go to 13 minimum and Europe can't be a reason, on its own, for the top English division not to be reorganised.
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Thats a good point about the rest of the Championship not worrying about the team helped by the parachute payment. What did L. Welsh do with theirs I wonder?
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I think you have to contribute for a number of years to get the parachute payment. Think people who come up and go straight down get nothing.
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Oh right.
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Owen Slot in the Times-1st Jan, his prediction 'Premiership Clubs to announce an end to promotion and relegation(yes this was my 2018 prediction,but it is definitely coming) What does he know more than the rest of us?
He doesn't "know" anything - it is his "prediction"...
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He doesn't "know" anything - it is his "prediction"...
Except he had an exclusive story this autumn saying the teams were pushing hard to it to come in as soon as possible.
The league then did its usual denial, but didn’t mention that it never would. It was all tied in to his story which broke the new CVC deal.
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'It is definitely coming' remark which caught my eye. By the way which other top league in Rugby Union has promotion and relegation-I do not think the French do? or the Italians? Oz,NZ and SA are bound up in the Super14 with some playing in the PRO.
Interesting only time will tell. Rugby League tried no Relegation and then went back to it-hence the promotion of London Broncos. Which reminds me to go and watch them at Ealing. Great fan of RL from the days when I worked in Sydney and watched matches there.
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I thought the French had relegation.
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I thought the French had relegation.
Ask Brive, almost there last year but then lost 3 or 4 on the bounce and went down. Not finding Pro D2 especially easy either.
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France do indeed have Promotion & relegation. Automatic 1 up, one down, with 13th T14 & 2nd ProD2 have a relegation bun-fight after the end of the season to see who is in the T14 and who is in the ProD2