ComeAllWithin
Rugby => ComeAllWithin Board => Topic started by: honkytonk on Thursday 10-Jan-2019, 17:22*
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Anyone know how long he has left on his deal?? Not sure if I read this correct but Jim Hamilton mentioned he is gong to Saints???
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I heard he was going to Chiefs!
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I thought he was going no where!!!!
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So did I, just being silly.
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To be fair, I did notice him talking to a Chiefs player when we played them!!
If, and a big if, this turned out to be true then it would be a bit of a disaster.
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The sinck wouldn’t leave us, he’ll be a club legend I reckon, following in the footsteps of Marler and co
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Hope so, seems a strange rumour. Saints are pretty well stocked at TH I think, and have a decent one coming through if I remember correctly.
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No. Can't begin to believe this one! Sinckler definitely feels like someone who will be with us for all of his career.
Some may say it's too cosy but I love the fact that we attract, care for and generally do well by our legends, especially our one club legends. It really creates the special atmosphere at the club.
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Hope so, seems a strange rumour. Saints are pretty well stocked at TH I think, and have a decent one coming through if I remember correctly.
No and no - they're in an awful state with their front row.
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If his contract is up, would have thought Sinck rumours would be mostly his agent's work to get him a bigger contract
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Sinckler last signed a contract (well one that's been made public) in October 2016 - could therefore quite possibly be out of contract at the end of the season. That said if he was leaving I would have though there would have been more noise about it.
Danny Care is also out of contract this summer but there hasn't been much in the press about him leaving since November.
I suspect that the club has already re-signed a lot of the senior players they intend to keep but for whatever reason have not chosen to make this public.
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A lot of ‘ifs’ involved but unfortunately this story might have legs
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Surprised by this but, with some of the names being mentioned as possible incomings, we may need to recoup some cap space. I wonder if the fact Sinck is away with England may have an affect from a quins point of view (we want players available all season).
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Nooooooooooooo.
He's good mate with Clifford isn't he? I'd hope that wouldn't sway things if Jack left. I'd be gutted if either left, unless we got a really, really good replacement
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I would go so far as to call him irreplaceable. Not many top THs around and Sinck is up there near the top of the list
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That would be a sad loss; and he would be difficult to replace.
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Dc resigned was announced a few weeks ago
Will be DISTRAUGHT if sink goes, one of my all time favourite Quins
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Having looked back a bit on the net I think he is out of contract this summer
Pieces on the ruck.co and the Bristol newspaper said that Sale and Sarries were after him last year but he was committed to Quins at least until the end of his contract in 2018
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Considering he's a British Lion and had a very good autumn for England, I've not been that impressed with Sinckler for Quins this season.
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If he did go, im not sure we would replace him. We would still have Collier, Swainston, McNulty and Ibuanopke, plus Sassone in the Academy. I think we might need to lose one more before we saw another TH come in. No need for 5 first team THs (esp as none of them are internationals). Ibuanopke and Mcnulty only signed new deals in Feb, so unless they were one year deals they are staying.
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If he did go, im not sure we would replace him. We would still have Collier, Swainston, McNulty and Ibuanopke, plus Sassone in the Academy. I think we might need to lose one more before before we saw another TH come in. No need for 5 first team THs (esp as none of them are internationals)
I thought Collier was capped? And he was name checked as being one f the best in the Prem.
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If he did go, im not sure we would replace him. We would still have Collier, Swainston, McNulty and Ibuanopke, plus Sassone in the Academy. I think we might need to lose one more before before we saw another TH come in. No need for 5 first team THs (esp as none of them are internationals)
Swainston and McNulty should be nowhere near a premiership matchday squad. Just because we have lots of props, does not mean you shouldn't replace one of Europe's best, if he does go
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I thought Collier was capped? And he was name checked as being one f the best in the Prem.
He is, but I doubt he is going to be playing for England anytime soon again (behind Cole, Williams and Sinck at least). May get a shot if injuries happen. Merrick was name checked by EJ. I take what he says with a pinch of salt most of the time.
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Swainston and McNulty should be nowhere near a premiership matchday squad. Just because we have lots of props, does not mean you shouldn't replace one of Europe's best, if he does go
I not saying he shouldnt be replaced, Im saying that unless another moves on Im not sure PG would replace him in the squad. I did not realise Mcnulty had signed a new deal in Feb till I looked it up. I guessed he would be moving on (Although PG may have seen something in him, who knows).
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He is, but I doubt he is going to be playing for England anytime soon again (behind Cole, Williams and Sinck at least). May get a shot if injuries happen. Merrick was name checked by EJ. I take what he says with a pinch of salt most of the time.
Can't disagree with that. Although I don't know how much longer Cole will be in the frame, especially after RWC. If Sinck does go (and I hope he doesn't) perhaps the increased game time will help Collier to develop more?
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Fair point, although I like the way we are using our props (in truth, the whole squad) in rotation. Gone are the days where we seem to be running players into the ground
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Fair point, although I like the way we are using our props (in truth, the whole squad) in rotation. Gone are the days where we seem to be running players into the ground
Amen to that!
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My understanding is that he signed a four year contract with Quins, so if he is moving on, he will need to buy himself out of the remaining two years of his contract.
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I can’t bear the arrogance of Jim Hamilton and Andy goode on the ruck podcast. They speak like they are seasoned internationals with a Grand slam/World cup or two to their name.
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Swainston and McNulty should be nowhere near a premiership matchday squad. Just because we have lots of props, does not mean you shouldn't replace one of Europe's best, if he does go
They are no where near the standard we are looking for if we want to become serious again.
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From a super reliable close source.... he has two years left on his contract, but Northampton are sniffing about showing a keen interest.
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From a super reliable close source.... he has two years left on his contract, but Northampton are sniffing about showing a keen interest.
I'm sure this is true but don't you think that in the current rugby world of big money and agents this is likely to be the case for most half decent players? There will always be someone, somewhere prepared to offer a player more money. They are like head hunters in the business world - its just up to the player to weigh up the pros and cons and decide if their rugby pitch really is really greener! Likewise Quins need to decide if a player is really worth keeping once their head has been turned by the new employer.
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Money is the only obvious incentive.
Sinckler is our first choice tighthead and is used in a way that brings the best out of him, which in turn puts him in the frame to start for England. There are no valid ‘on-pitch’ reasons for him to leave and I’ve never got the impression that money is his main motivation.
I feel the same about Clifford, but I’m less concerned given the alternatives we have in the squad and the relative availability of good back rowers vs. Almost 0 tightheads with Sinckler’s all round skill set.
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From a super reliable close source.... he has two years left on his contract, but Northampton are sniffing about showing a keen interest.
I suspect that you and I have the same "super reliable" source. Assuming that we have the same source, (and I might have this completely wrong, of course!), I'm supposing that you're finding all of this speculation over him potentially moving for money fascinating too, given that he's on a fairly eye-watering amount here at Quins already.
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If he has 2 years left on his contract, then Saints (if it is they) would need to buy out that part of the contract, which is a very unusual occurrence in Rugby circles still. As things stand, he knows he's first choice with us, is 1st/2nd pick for England, and is possibly in the frame for inclusion in the next Lions tour too.
Any move now would shake all of these factors up. He may not be guaranteed to start at a new club. He would have to remain in England to ensure he remains qualified for International duty and hence Lions duty, and can other clubs really offer him a vastly improved salary within the cap (I believe he couldn't qualify as a Marquee Player under the rules)?
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Adam Jones is surely the key I can't see him going as long as he has jonesy as a mentor
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You can't be a marquee player if you move from one club to another. If a club has to buy out someone's contract, then that comes out of their salary cap. So buying Sinckler right now would cost them the price of three major players. I can't see that happening.
Yes, I was going to say (thank you stoquin) he has a very tight relationship with Adam Jones. Another reason he's unlikely to move on.
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Yeah, the more I think about this, the more it feels like a non-story. The only thing worrying me is arniepie saying there might be something in it.
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Well also, as we know with Gustard (don't....), a club approaching someone is not the same as them wanting to leave.
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Well I for one do not believe a word of it.
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With all these reasons for him not to be going, I'd say he's half way out the door already.
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I don’t think Kyle will be going anywhere at the moment as Quins turned down saints offer to buy out the remainder of the 18 months he has left on his current contract
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Quick, sign him up for the long haul!
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Phew!
(And I hope that it was Saints' speculation, not Sinck's suggestion that started it all off... i.e. I hope he wants to stay too)
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So if Saints wanted him then presumably they'd have had to pay 18 months of his current contract, which I believe counts towards the cap, plus you'd imagine a substantial wage increase (unless Sinck is unhappy and wants to go even if it means a pay cut, wehich seems unlikely), all counting towards the salary cap as he can't be a marquee player. Given that I imagine he's on a pretty huge amount as it is, they move would surely have represented a huge chunk of their salary cap
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I don’t think Kyle will be going anywhere at the moment as Quins turned down saints offer to buy out the remainder of the 18 months he has left on his current contract
"Deepthroat" strikes again...
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They may have offered a player swap instead of a buyout: give us Kyle and we'll give you two players in return.
Not sure who they've got that we would want - Lawes and Ribbans, perhaps?
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They may have offered a player swap instead of a buyout: give us Kyle and we'll give you two players in return.
Not sure who they've got that we would want - Lawes and Ribbans, perhaps?
But we know they offered a buy out coz arniepie works for the club.
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The way I would read it, "Buy out" doesn't necessarily mean purely financial compensation - it just means a deal to allow termination of the contract without paying penalties. I'm just looking at a way Saints could realistically have offered a deal without creating an enormous salary cap headache.
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The way I would read it, "Buy out" doesn't necessarily mean purely financial compensation - it just means a deal to allow termination of the contract without paying penalties. I'm just looking at a way Saints could realistically have offered a deal without creating an enormous salary cap headache.
I think any such deal would have to be looked at by the Celery Cap commissioner (or whatever his title is) to ensure that the letter and spirit of the Cap rules is maintained. You could make a case that this would mean that *both* clubs were effectively buying the remainder of the contracts out, so they would be counted as part of the salary cap for both clubs.
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I'm hearing he's in advanced stage of talks with Exeter... ???
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There's something more to this then. He's not happy? Am I on the right lines arniepie?
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I'm hearing he's in advanced stage of talks with Exeter... ???
They may be losing Thomas Francis to one of the Welsh provinces so that might make some sense.
I really hope not anyway.
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Tombuckquin there is no more to this story as Quins turned down the buyout offer and Kyle will be at Quins for the remainder of his contract, after that I couldn’t tell you what will happen, anything to do with Exeter is a complete non story
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Tombuckquin there is no more to this story as Quins turned down the buyout offer and Kyle will be at Quins for the remainder of his contract, after that I couldn’t tell you what will happen, anything to do with Exeter is a complete non story
I gather he was very disillusioned under JK, but is now back in the fold. Quins don't want to lose him and won't as he's tied down. I think the Exeter comment was intended as a joke.