ComeAllWithin
Rugby => ComeAllWithin Board => Topic started by: stoquin on Sunday 13-Jan-2019, 11:47*
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Well I've got my fag packet out and this is the doodle highlights....
Group 1
Clearmont on 25 to play dragons so could end on either 25,29 or 30 will win group and even on 25 will be No 1 seed
RU Saints will beat Timosoara so will be on 21 points
Group 2
Worcs on 17 will beat Stadt prob so 4 points so 21 or poss 22
RU Ospreys but max 14/15 points
Group 3
Sale on 17 points will beat Perpignan as at home so will be on 21 or 22
RU Connacht again on 21 or 22
Group 4
La Rochelle on 20 will win and get to 24 or 25 so will be second seeds
RU Bristol on 21 points east 5 point win
Group 5
Quins win away so 20 or 21 points
RU Benetton 19 or 20 points
So seedings
1. Clermont 25/29/30
2. La Rocelle 24/25
3. Sale 21/22
4. Worcs 21/22
5. Quins 20/21
6. Connacht21/22
7. Saints 21
8. Bristol 21
Simples!
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Well done!
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I'm hoping that it somehow works out that we get another trip to Clermont or La Rochelle but its not looking good.
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If Warriers don’t get BP but we do and both sides on 21pts, then how is seeding then decided - points difference or tries scored?
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If Warriers don’t get BP but we do and both sides on 21pts, then how is seeding then decided - points difference or tries scored?
Here are the rules... (https://www.epcrugby.com/challenge-cup/format/)
(c) If ranking remains unresolved and/or if clubs have not played each other previously in the pool stage, qualification/ranking will be determined as follows:
(i) the best aggregate points difference from the pool stage; or
(ii) if equal, the number of tries scored in the pool stage; or
(iii) if equal, the club with the fewest number of players suspended under Disciplinary Rules in the pool stage; or
(iv) if unresolved, by drawing lots.
As it stands, that would benefit us, as our points difference is +20 compared to Worcesters' +20
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Website suggest Warriors have booked a home 1/4
https://www.epcrugby.com/2019/01/14/worcester-and-clermont-seal-home-quarter-finals/
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That must be a mistake?
Clermont, Sale/Connacht, Quins/ Treviso and La Rochelle/Bristol could all finish on more points than worcesters 17?
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That must be a mistake?
Clermont, Sale/Connacht, Quins/ Treviso and La Rochelle/Bristol could all finish on more points than worcesters 17?
If they win without a BP and we win with one, we'd be ranked above them due to a better points difference, that's for sure...
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Yes that headline has to be wrong as 4 teams can get 22points Worcester, Quins, sale and Connacht
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Quins can only score 21.
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I’d love to go back to Clermont, but I’m assuming it won’t happen
Oh well see you in Agen if you are going
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Clermont away in the semi looks most likely but we’ll have to beat someone away first.....................
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Worcester have qualified as group winners, 5 points clear of Ospreys but even if Ospreys get a bonus point win they would only be tied with Worcester and the tie break is first based on head to head results of which Worcester won both, hence they have qualified for the quarters. Simples!
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Thanks for that Swindon but the point people are making is the article says they have a home Quatre which they don’t Simples indeed
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We need a result on Friday. This is one of those threads that could come back to haunt us...!
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The runners up are place 6-8 even if they have more points than the pool winners.
But there are five pools, so one pool winner goes away.
Which looks like it will be us as we cannot get to 22 points.
But the most important thing is not to slip on the banana skin and actually win the pool.
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Yes Worcester have qualified as group winners and a 4 point win against Stadt will see them get a home draw as we can match them on points they will have won 5 games to our 4 but if they were to lose then we get home draw. Simples
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Yes Worcester have qualified as group winners and a 4 point win against Stadt will see them get a home draw as we can match them on points they will have won 5 games to our 4 but if they were to lose then we get home draw. Simples
Actually, if you read the rules in the link I posted above, number of games won does not enter into the calculation, even for teams in the same pool. For qualifiers from different pools with the same number of match points, the ranking is decided by:
(i) the best aggregate points difference from the pool stage; or
(ii) if equal, the number of tries scored in the pool stage; or
(iii) if equal, the club with the fewest number of players suspended under Disciplinary Rules in the pool stage; or
(iv) if unresolved, by drawing lots.
So, if we get a try bonus point and Worcester don't we end up on the same number of match points. We currently have an aggregate points difference of +50, Worcester are on +20. Assuming there's no wild scenario where we score 4 tries, they score 3 but somehow they manage to improve their points difference by more than 30 points plus whatever our winning margin was, then we would be ranked above them in the rankings for the QF draw.
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As Camquin says, given that we've only won our home games so far and have only won 2 away games this season (I think) let's just get the win first and then worry about the permutations
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FF you are dead right as usual and I did read your earlier post. Memory going or need to add more water!
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FF you are dead right as usual and I did read your earlier post. Memory going or need to add more water!
Just a case of too much blood in your alcohol stream ;)
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The EPC Rugby website is showing both ourselves and Worcester with a capital Q.
Worcester play their final pool game later today at home against Stade Francais
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I think a capital Q means qualified as group winner and a small q means qualified as runner up. One team with a capital Q (probably us) will play away in the quarter final.
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Currently our mates at Stade are helping us out! They're leading Worcester 21 points to 7 and it's not even half time!
EDIT Warriors have clawed back a try to put them 14-21 with 30 mins gone...
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Half Time 14-28 Merci Stade ....
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Come on Stadt
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Worcester get their fourth 26-28 cannot be much time left. COme on Stade
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Now 31-all with conversion to come for worcester
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Missed 2m to play
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I'll take a draw!
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Stade had he ball with the clock red - but went for the win and give up a pen.
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Try Worcester
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Damn it!
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No one to blame but ourselves, blew late lead again grenoble and last second draw against treviso
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Go to Worcester and win!
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Last chance for home draw is perpignon beating sale come on perpignon, they are leading 0 - 5
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n the last 7 minutes, Worcester did 3 try .... (I can not believe it) ..... even if we have the chance to play at home we lost it with Benetton in their house ... here in Italy It was written in the newspapers as a historic Italian rugby business .... (and it's been talked about for 4 days ...)
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if smith didn't kick the ball away against treviso we'd have a home QF right now...
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Final Qualifications are
1 Clermont (30pts)
2 La Rochelle (24)
3 Sale (22pts, 88pts Agg Diff)
4 Worcester (22pts, 25pts Agg Diff)
5 Quins (21pts)
6 Connacht (22pts)
7 Bristol (21pts, 159pts Agg Diff)
8 Saints (21pts, 155pts Agg Diff)
So, the QFs line up as:
QF1 Clermont (1) vs Saints (8 )
QF2 Worcester (4) vs Quins (5)
QF3 Sale (3) vs Connacht (6)
QF4 La Rochele (2) vs Bristol (7)
I'm not sure folks will be too happy that in three out of the four QFs, it's teams who played each other in the pool stages! It also shows that having one of the two qualifiers from the Shield comp in your pool does give you a massive boost in the odds of being a qualifier once again (not surprisingly!)
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Well I've got my fag packet out and this is the doodle highlights....
Group 1
Clearmont on 25 to play dragons so could end on either 25,29 or 30 will win group and even on 25 will be No 1 seed
RU Saints will beat Timosoara so will be on 21 points
Group 2
Worcs on 17 will beat Stadt prob so 4 points so 21 or poss 22
RU Ospreys but max 14/15 points
Group 3
Sale on 17 points will beat Perpignan as at home so will be on 21 or 22
RU Connacht again on 21 or 22
Group 4
La Rochelle on 20 will win and get to 24 or 25 so will be second seeds
RU Bristol on 21 points east 5 point win
Group 5
Quins win away so 20 or 21 points
RU Benetton 19 or 20 points
So seedings
1. Clermont 25/29/30
2. La Rocelle 24/25
3. Sale 21/22
4. Worcs 21/22
5. Quins 20/21
6. Connacht21/22
7. Saints 21
8. Bristol 21
Simples!
Quite happy got all 8 QF teams right but got Bris and saints wrong way round thanks to fantastic performance by Bris
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So looks like we’ll have to do it the tough way. Away to Worcester and then (more than likely) away in Clermont.
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Well, in their pool stages, Saints lost both times, 20-41 at home and 48-40 away at the Marcel-Michelin, so you'd expect Clermont to win. Us vs Worcester? Tough to call as it's on their artificial turf. Hopefully we can give them a good tonking in the Prem in a few weeks time so that they start to worry about slipping into the relegation spot & concentrate on the Pre rather than the Challenge Cup!
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Worcester away. A fixture I rarely look forward to as we always seem to reserve some of our worst showings of the season for said fixture. That said we’ve already been dire up there once this season so hopefully we’ve got that out of our system and can get the win in April.
On a related note, I’d like to see Exeter win this evening. Magic of Thomond etc etc. It’s almost disrespectful to the opposition how much hot air is blown up the collective backsides of Irish rugby but particularly the magic of Thomond etc etc stuff
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Stad really aren’t the team they used to be how the mighty have fallen
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Sarah Elgan said after the Exeter game that BT will show all the Challenge Cup Quarter finals live.
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When do you think we will know the QF times?
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EPC website is saying end of next week.
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Saw this on the ERPC website
Challenge Cup semi-finals
Saturday 19th January 2019
6:14 pm (GMT)
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Following confirmation of the Challenge Cup quarter-final line-up, the semi-final pairings will be as follows:
SEMI-FINAL 1 – winner of QF 1: ASM Clermont Auvergne v Northampton Saints will play the winner of QF 2: Worcester Warriors v Harlequins
SEMI-FINAL 2 – winner of QF 3: Sale Sharks v Connacht Rugby will play the winner of QF 4: La Rochelle v Bristol Bears
The following clubs will have home venue advantage in their respective semi-final matches:
SEMI-FINAL 1
If ASM Clermont Auvergne (ranked No 1) and Worcester Warriors (ranked No 4) win their quarter-finals, Clermont will have home venue advantage
If ASM Clermont Auvergne (ranked No 1) and Harlequins (ranked No 5) win their quarter-finals, Clermont will have home venue advantage
If Worcester Warriors (ranked No 4) and Northampton Saints (ranked No 8) win their quarter-finals, Worcester will have home venue advantage
If Harlequins (ranked No 5) and Northampton Saints (ranked No 8) win their quarter-finals, Harlequins will have home venue advantage
SEMI-FINAL 2
If La Rochelle (ranked No 2) and Sale Sharks (ranked No 3) win their quarter-finals, La Rochelle will have home venue advantage
If Sale Sharks (ranked No 3) and Bristol Bears (ranked No 7) win their quarter-finals, Sale will have home venue advantage
If La Rochelle (ranked No 2) and Connacht Rugby (ranked No 6) win their quarter-finals, La Rochelle will have home venue advantage
If Connacht Rugby (ranked No 6) and Bristol Bears (ranked No 7) win their quarter-finals, Connacht will have home venue advantage
Come on Northampton! That way we will get a home semi - provided we get through the QF
D-Quins
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Thanks for sharing that, terrific. Can't wait to get tickets for the game!
After the Sarries game next week, we have got a run of really important games. It's going to be a blast!
Come on you Quins!
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Sarah Elgan said after the Exeter game that BT will show all the Challenge Cup Quarter finals live.
Good news and will be less resource for them than covering all group matches in the Champions Cup, 8 matches vs 10 over the weekend
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Is Home Venue advantage the stoop or is it just a venue in our country (Maybe the big stoop)
Mind you, we have to beat Wuss first!
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The Stoop.
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Is Home Venue advantage the stoop or is it just a venue in our country (Maybe the big stoop)
Mind you, we have to beat Wuss first!
We have to beat wuss away which will be hard enough but then saints have to beat Clermont away. If we get through to the final it'll be a hell of an achievement