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Title: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: stoquin on Sunday 13-Jan-2019, 11:47*
Well I've got my fag packet out and this is the doodle highlights....

Group 1
Clearmont on 25 to play dragons so could end on either 25,29 or 30 will win group and even on 25 will be No 1 seed
RU Saints will beat Timosoara so will be on 21 points

Group 2
Worcs on 17 will beat Stadt prob so 4 points so 21 or poss 22
RU Ospreys but max 14/15 points

Group 3
Sale on 17 points will beat Perpignan as at home so will be on 21 or 22
RU Connacht again on 21 or 22

Group 4
La Rochelle on 20 will win and get to 24 or 25 so will be second seeds
RU Bristol on 21 points east 5 point win

Group 5
Quins win away so 20 or 21 points
RU Benetton 19 or 20 points

So seedings

1. Clermont 25/29/30
2. La Rocelle 24/25
3. Sale 21/22
4. Worcs 21/22
5. Quins 20/21
6. Connacht21/22
7. Saints 21
8. Bristol 21

Simples!

Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: Comet on Sunday 13-Jan-2019, 12:25*
Well done!
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: New Forest Quin on Sunday 13-Jan-2019, 13:47*
I'm hoping that it somehow works out that we get another trip to Clermont or La Rochelle but its not looking good.
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: Bolly-Quin on Sunday 13-Jan-2019, 13:57*
If Warriers dont get BP but we do and both sides on 21pts, then how is seeding then decided - points difference or tries scored?
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: Fearless Fred on Sunday 13-Jan-2019, 14:30*
If Warriers dont get BP but we do and both sides on 21pts, then how is seeding then decided - points difference or tries scored?

Here are the rules... (https://www.epcrugby.com/challenge-cup/format/)

Quote
(c) If ranking remains unresolved and/or if clubs have not played each other previously in the pool stage, qualification/ranking will be determined as follows:
(i) the best aggregate points difference from the pool stage; or
(ii) if equal, the number of tries scored in the pool stage; or
(iii) if equal, the club with the fewest number of players suspended under Disciplinary Rules in the pool stage; or
(iv) if unresolved, by drawing lots.

As it stands, that would benefit us, as our points difference is +20 compared to Worcesters' +20
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: Chipstead Quin on Monday 14-Jan-2019, 12:58*
Website suggest Warriors have booked a home 1/4

https://www.epcrugby.com/2019/01/14/worcester-and-clermont-seal-home-quarter-finals/
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: quintastic. on Monday 14-Jan-2019, 13:09*
That must be a mistake?

Clermont, Sale/Connacht, Quins/ Treviso and La Rochelle/Bristol could all finish on more points than worcesters 17?
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: Fearless Fred on Monday 14-Jan-2019, 14:03*
That must be a mistake?

Clermont, Sale/Connacht, Quins/ Treviso and La Rochelle/Bristol could all finish on more points than worcesters 17?
If they win without a BP and we win with one, we'd be ranked above them due to a better points difference, that's for sure...
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: stoquin on Monday 14-Jan-2019, 18:13*
  Yes that headline has to be wrong as 4 teams can get 22points Worcester, Quins, sale and Connacht
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: BedfordshireBoy on Monday 14-Jan-2019, 18:21*
Quins can only score 21.
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: SiB on Monday 14-Jan-2019, 19:43*
Id love to go back to Clermont, but Im assuming it wont happen
Oh well see you in Agen if you are going
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: The Absolute Quintet on Monday 14-Jan-2019, 22:51*
Clermont away in the semi looks most likely but well have to beat someone away first.....................
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: SwindonQuin on Monday 14-Jan-2019, 22:52*
Worcester have qualified as group winners, 5 points clear of Ospreys but even if Ospreys get a bonus point win they would only be tied with Worcester and the tie break is first based on head to head results of which Worcester won both, hence they have qualified for the quarters. Simples!
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: Quins Head on Monday 14-Jan-2019, 23:51*
Thanks for that Swindon but the point people are making is the article says they have a home Quatre which they dont Simples indeed
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: alexfromlondon on Tuesday 15-Jan-2019, 06:55*
We need a result on Friday. This is one of those threads that could come back to haunt us...!
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: Camquin on Tuesday 15-Jan-2019, 07:33*
The runners up are place 6-8 even if they have more points than the pool winners.
But there are five pools, so one pool winner goes away.
Which looks like it will be us as we cannot get to 22 points.
But the most important thing is not to slip on the banana skin and actually win the pool.
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: stoquin on Tuesday 15-Jan-2019, 08:04*
Yes Worcester have qualified as group winners and a 4 point win against Stadt will see them get a home draw as we can match them on points they will have won 5 games to our 4 but if they were to lose then we get home draw. Simples
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: Fearless Fred on Tuesday 15-Jan-2019, 09:27*
Yes Worcester have qualified as group winners and a 4 point win against Stadt will see them get a home draw as we can match them on points they will have won 5 games to our 4 but if they were to lose then we get home draw. Simples

Actually, if you read the rules in the link I posted above, number of games won does not enter into the calculation, even for teams in the same pool. For qualifiers from different pools with the same number of match points, the ranking is decided by:
(i) the best aggregate points difference from the pool stage; or
(ii) if equal, the number of tries scored in the pool stage; or
(iii) if equal, the club with the fewest number of players suspended under Disciplinary Rules in the pool stage; or
(iv) if unresolved, by drawing lots.

So, if we get a try bonus point and Worcester don't we end up on the same number of match points. We currently have an aggregate points difference of +50, Worcester are on +20. Assuming there's no wild scenario where we score 4 tries, they score 3 but somehow they manage to improve their points difference by more than 30 points plus whatever our winning margin was, then we would be ranked above them in the rankings for the QF draw.
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: T-Bone on Tuesday 15-Jan-2019, 11:49*
As Camquin says, given that we've only won our home games so far and have only won 2 away games this season (I think) let's just get the win first and then worry about the permutations
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: stoquin on Wednesday 16-Jan-2019, 15:12*
FF you are dead right as usual and I did read your earlier post. Memory going or need to add more water!
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: Fearless Fred on Wednesday 16-Jan-2019, 15:27*
FF you are dead right as usual and I did read your earlier post. Memory going or need to add more water!

Just a case of too much blood in your alcohol stream ;)
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: Nico Wilson on Saturday 19-Jan-2019, 06:18*
The EPC Rugby website is showing both ourselves and Worcester with a capital Q.

Worcester play their final pool game later today at home against Stade Francais

Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: Keith Jenner on Saturday 19-Jan-2019, 07:28*
I think a capital Q means qualified as group winner and a small q means qualified as runner up. One team with a capital Q (probably us) will play away in the quarter final.
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: Fearless Fred on Saturday 19-Jan-2019, 13:35*
Currently our mates at Stade are helping us out! They're leading Worcester 21 points to 7 and it's not even half time!

EDIT Warriors have clawed back a try to put them 14-21 with 30 mins gone...
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: Chipstead Quin on Saturday 19-Jan-2019, 13:54*
Half Time 14-28    Merci Stade ....
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: stoquin on Saturday 19-Jan-2019, 13:58*
Come on Stadt
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: Camquin on Saturday 19-Jan-2019, 14:47*
Worcester get their fourth 26-28 cannot be much time left. COme on Stade
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: Camquin on Saturday 19-Jan-2019, 14:49*
Now 31-all with conversion to come for worcester
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: Camquin on Saturday 19-Jan-2019, 14:50*
Missed 2m to play
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: Fearless Fred on Saturday 19-Jan-2019, 14:53*
I'll take a draw!
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: Camquin on Saturday 19-Jan-2019, 14:53*
Stade had he ball with the clock red - but went for the win and give up a pen.
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: Camquin on Saturday 19-Jan-2019, 14:55*
Try Worcester
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: Fearless Fred on Saturday 19-Jan-2019, 14:56*
Damn it!
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: quintastic. on Saturday 19-Jan-2019, 15:00*
No one to blame but ourselves, blew late lead again grenoble and last second draw against treviso
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: Bolly-Quin on Saturday 19-Jan-2019, 15:02*
Go to Worcester and win!
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: stoquin on Saturday 19-Jan-2019, 15:09*
Last chance for home draw is perpignon beating sale come on perpignon, they are leading 0 - 5
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: maybetomorrow on Saturday 19-Jan-2019, 15:16*
n the last 7 minutes, Worcester did 3 try .... (I can not believe it) ..... even if we have the chance to play at home we lost it with Benetton in their house ... here in Italy It was written in the newspapers as a historic Italian rugby business .... (and it's been talked about for 4 days ...)
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: quintastic. on Saturday 19-Jan-2019, 15:23*
if smith didn't kick the ball away against treviso we'd have a home QF right now...
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: Fearless Fred on Saturday 19-Jan-2019, 17:08*
Final Qualifications are
1 Clermont (30pts)
2 La Rochelle (24)
3 Sale (22pts, 88pts Agg Diff)
4 Worcester (22pts, 25pts Agg Diff)
5 Quins (21pts)
6 Connacht (22pts)
7 Bristol (21pts, 159pts Agg Diff)
8 Saints (21pts, 155pts Agg Diff)

So, the QFs line up as:

QF1 Clermont (1) vs Saints (8 )
QF2 Worcester (4) vs Quins (5)
QF3 Sale (3) vs Connacht (6)
QF4 La Rochele (2)  vs Bristol (7)

I'm not sure folks will be too happy that in three out of the four QFs, it's teams who played each other in the pool stages! It also shows that having one of the two qualifiers from the Shield comp in your pool does give you a massive boost in the odds of being a qualifier once again (not surprisingly!)
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: stoquin on Saturday 19-Jan-2019, 17:15*
Well I've got my fag packet out and this is the doodle highlights....

Group 1
Clearmont on 25 to play dragons so could end on either 25,29 or 30 will win group and even on 25 will be No 1 seed
RU Saints will beat Timosoara so will be on 21 points

Group 2
Worcs on 17 will beat Stadt prob so 4 points so 21 or poss 22
RU Ospreys but max 14/15 points

Group 3
Sale on 17 points will beat Perpignan as at home so will be on 21 or 22
RU Connacht again on 21 or 22

Group 4
La Rochelle on 20 will win and get to 24 or 25 so will be second seeds
RU Bristol on 21 points east 5 point win

Group 5
Quins win away so 20 or 21 points
RU Benetton 19 or 20 points

So seedings

1. Clermont 25/29/30
2. La Rocelle 24/25
3. Sale 21/22
4. Worcs 21/22
5. Quins 20/21
6. Connacht21/22
7. Saints 21
8. Bristol 21

Simples!


Quite happy got all 8 QF teams right but got Bris and saints wrong way round thanks to fantastic performance by Bris
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: quins4life on Saturday 19-Jan-2019, 17:27*
So looks like well have to do it the tough way. Away to Worcester and then (more than likely) away in Clermont.
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: Fearless Fred on Saturday 19-Jan-2019, 17:41*
Well, in their pool stages, Saints lost both times, 20-41 at home and 48-40 away at the Marcel-Michelin, so you'd expect Clermont to win. Us vs Worcester? Tough to call as it's on their artificial turf. Hopefully we can give them a good tonking in the Prem in a few weeks time so that they start to worry about slipping into the relegation spot & concentrate on the Pre rather than the Challenge Cup!
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: A222Quin on Saturday 19-Jan-2019, 18:09*
Worcester away. A fixture I rarely look forward to as we always seem to reserve some of our worst showings of the season for said fixture. That said weve already been dire up there once this season so hopefully weve got that out of our system and can get the win in April.

On a related note, Id like to see Exeter win this evening. Magic of Thomond etc etc. Its almost disrespectful to the opposition how much hot air is blown up the collective backsides of Irish rugby but particularly the magic of Thomond etc etc stuff
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: Quins Head on Saturday 19-Jan-2019, 20:49*
Stad really arent the team they used to be how the mighty have fallen
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: Nemoquin on Saturday 19-Jan-2019, 21:24*
Sarah Elgan said after the Exeter game that BT will show all the Challenge Cup Quarter finals live.
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: harlequins on Saturday 19-Jan-2019, 21:37*
When do you think we will know the QF times?
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: Nico Wilson on Saturday 19-Jan-2019, 21:39*
EPC website is saying end of next week.
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: D-Quins on Saturday 19-Jan-2019, 21:48*

Saw this on the ERPC website


Challenge Cup semi-finals
Saturday 19th January 2019

 
6:14 pm (GMT)

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Following confirmation of the Challenge Cup quarter-final line-up, the semi-final pairings will be as follows:

SEMI-FINAL 1 winner of QF 1: ASM Clermont Auvergne v Northampton Saints will play the winner of QF 2: Worcester Warriors v Harlequins

SEMI-FINAL 2 winner of QF 3: Sale Sharks v Connacht Rugby will play the winner of QF 4: La Rochelle v Bristol Bears

The following clubs will have home venue advantage in their respective semi-final matches:

SEMI-FINAL 1
If ASM Clermont Auvergne (ranked No 1) and Worcester Warriors (ranked No 4) win their quarter-finals, Clermont will have home venue advantage
If ASM Clermont Auvergne (ranked No 1) and Harlequins (ranked No 5) win their quarter-finals, Clermont will have home venue advantage
If Worcester Warriors (ranked No 4) and Northampton Saints (ranked No 8) win their quarter-finals, Worcester will have home venue advantage
If Harlequins (ranked No 5) and Northampton Saints (ranked No 8) win their quarter-finals, Harlequins will have home venue advantage

SEMI-FINAL 2
If La Rochelle (ranked No 2) and Sale Sharks (ranked No 3) win their quarter-finals, La Rochelle will have home venue advantage
If Sale Sharks (ranked No 3) and Bristol Bears (ranked No 7) win their quarter-finals, Sale will have home venue advantage
If La Rochelle (ranked No 2) and Connacht Rugby (ranked No 6) win their quarter-finals, La Rochelle will have home venue advantage
If Connacht Rugby (ranked No 6) and Bristol Bears (ranked No 7) win their quarter-finals, Connacht will have home venue advantage


Come on Northampton!  That way we will get a home semi - provided we get through the QF

D-Quins
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: Comet on Saturday 19-Jan-2019, 22:04*
Thanks for sharing that, terrific. Can't wait to get tickets for the game!

After the Sarries game next week, we have got a run of really important games. It's going to be a blast!

Come on you Quins!
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: TeddingtonQuin on Sunday 20-Jan-2019, 12:25*
Sarah Elgan said after the Exeter game that BT will show all the Challenge Cup Quarter finals live.

Good news and will be less resource for them than covering all group matches in the Champions Cup, 8 matches vs 10 over the weekend
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: Harlequinade on Monday 21-Jan-2019, 18:18*
Is Home Venue advantage the stoop or is it just a venue in our country (Maybe the big stoop)
Mind you, we have to beat Wuss first!
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: BedfordshireBoy on Monday 21-Jan-2019, 20:44*
The Stoop.
Title: Re: Worcester Quins QF
Post by: T-Bone on Monday 21-Jan-2019, 20:52*
Is Home Venue advantage the stoop or is it just a venue in our country (Maybe the big stoop)
Mind you, we have to beat Wuss first!

We have to beat wuss away which will be hard enough but then saints have to beat Clermont away. If we get through to the final it'll be a hell of an achievement