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ComeAllWithin Board / Re: Ibitoye rumoured to Agen
« Last post by The Absolute Quintet on Today at 01:55 pm »
while his agent is doing what he needs to in his clients best interests.

Sure but in his Clientís commercial interests, not his rugby ones. Perhaps Gabs can keep it compartmentalised, not sure many could at 23.

(If he goes I hope he can find his way around Agen. Itís a rabbit warren, albeit a nice one. I lost the hotel twice that weekend)
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ComeAllWithin Board / Re: Swing Low is "racist"
« Last post by Saintquin on Today at 01:44 pm »
I got really confused the other day when it was found that football commentators could be inadvertently racist by saying that an up and coming young black player could be the new Patrick Viera. This is racial stereotyping as is the way you might describe the physical attributes or qualities of a black player. It doesnít matter what you say at the moment it will be wrong from some angle or other.

So as a white person you are a racist if you "black face" (which I kind of get). You are a racist if you compare one black person to another (which I don't get). You are not a racist if you compare a white person to another (obviously).
Now what if I thought Raheem Sterling runs (not looks) like a spider monkey what does that make me, apart from probably a nutter!
I'm very rarely offended by words said about me and find it a little difficult to understand why anybody should be offended by words. I'm lucky I suppose that I've accepted I am what I am and learnt to be happy with it!
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ComeAllWithin Board / Re: Ibitoye rumoured to Agen
« Last post by Albig on Today at 01:23 pm »
Think we have to take pictures and videos as evidence of players with club with a pinch of salt...Langyís pictures were posted by club on 22nd June. Think Gabs has not been in any media since early part of training, but nor has Clifford...no pictures of Taps or Baldwin from what I can see either. I think Collier is shielding? Doubt photographer is in club much and with the rules unless he was in 9-5 I doubt we will gets photos of all players in training!
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ComeAllWithin Board / Re: Ticket refunds
« Last post by Nickster on Today at 01:06 pm »
I would have thought maybe a board showing names of those donating as they did for relegation year?
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ComeAllWithin Board / Re: Ibitoye rumoured to Agen
« Last post by Somardino on Today at 12:58 pm »
Just another possibility that fits the available information;

Perhaps Ibitoye feels that the contract he signed last year (probably actually agreed late 2018) was already out of sync with his break through as a regular starter and the club's top try scorer. A pay reduction therefore being rather a double whammy.

Given the extraordinary situation with salaries across league, Gab's Agent would pretty much have to create a realistic external option to have any leverage to negotiate with the club.

Perhaps I'm being over-optimistic, but it seems to me perfectly possible that Gabs is happily getting on with his rugby at Quins, while his agent is doing what he needs to in his clients best interests.
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ComeAllWithin Board / Re: Swing Low is "racist"
« Last post by MadMax on Today at 12:16 pm »
They are. If they feel they aren't, there are laws that can be enforced. But let's face it - we all feel unfairly treated at some point; but some of us can't blame it on ethnicity.

They are? Seriously? All minority ethnic people are treated fairly in all aspects of life?

You didn't really mean to say that did you?
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ComeAllWithin Board / Re: Ibitoye rumoured to Agen
« Last post by J Scott on Today at 12:13 pm »
Gabs has longer hair and ties it up, Lennox doesnít. Gabs has a darker complexion and they also do not look that similar so no Iím not confused. It doesnít mean he staying just I know what I saw.
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ComeAllWithin Board / Re: Swing Low is "racist"
« Last post by MadMax on Today at 12:13 pm »
I got really confused the other day when it was found that football commentators could be inadvertently racist by saying that an up and coming young black player could be the new Patrick Viera. This is racial stereotyping as is the way you might describe the physical attributes or qualities of a black player. It doesnít matter what you say at the moment it will be wrong from some angle or other.

Imagine what the reaction would be if a commentator said the same up and coming black player could be the next Lionel Messi then!
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ComeAllWithin Board / Re: Ibitoye rumoured to Agen
« Last post by The Absolute Quintet on Today at 11:43 am »
Agree with that. He should focus on his rugby and the rewards should come but the horse has bolted now and the club should not make an exception for him at the risk of spreading unrest.
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ComeAllWithin Board / Re: Ibitoye rumoured to Agen
« Last post by Quinky on Today at 11:34 am »
It sounds probable that Gabs has been offered lesser terms, same as some but not all, and has been given a period to accept or not. The Agen offer pressures the club to revise those terms or a way out if they donít. Makes commercial sense for him, but either way canít see that a grumbling young Quin will be good for the team or that a move to Agen will be good for his rugby, which should be his priority right now. Extraordinary athlete but so much rugby know-how to develop. Surely he and his advisors can see that?

The difficulty for Quins is that if they do improve his terms, how will that impact the players who may have already bitten the bullet and accepted lower pay? It sends the wrong message. There is an argument that you might (note: MIGHT) make an exception for a truly exceptional player - Robshaw, Marler, Smith, Brown for example - But Gabs is nowhere near that category and I doubt we'll ever build a team around him. Plus, we're not short of quality wingers.
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