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Pretty small intake with only three players but not surprising given the quality of the current under 17s who I expect a fair few will be given contracts

https://www.quins.co.uk/news/young-quins-offered-first-contracts?fbclid=IwAR1X4cZPeuu03Z_DqTXlceZ0HjJhPhEke3anzds5Ccikb2b72HK3EzHViL0

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And heartbreak for those possibles not offered. It's a tough moment for those boys (and their parents!).

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Alex Shaw (who seems to know a bit about academy rugby) said that there were surprises this intake (across the prem) with players that maybe were expected to get deals, not getting them

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I'm happy with that, as someone mentioned recently that they weren't sure if there would be any EPDG players signed up.

Hopefully the club will do the right thing this season and update the academy player profiles on the website. There is still nothing on the players who joined this time last year.

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Three is around average I think. Perhaps a little surprising not to see Makeen Alikhan in there, but otherwise seems about right. With Marcus Smith and Cadan Murley getting early senior contracts, we actually only have 1 third year academy player (George Head). So if all the current first and second year guys get retained we would end up with 14 in the academy.

As OP mentioned, there are a few boys in the current under 17s who already look like serious prospects for a years time.

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Who are the more notable ones in the 17s?

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Three is around average I think. Perhaps a little surprising not to see Makeen Alikhan in there, but otherwise seems about right. With Marcus Smith and Cadan Murley getting early senior contracts, we actually only have 1 third year academy player (George Head). So if all the current first and second year guys get retained we would end up with 14 in the academy.

As OP mentioned, there are a few boys in the current under 17s who already look like serious prospects for a years time.

Hasn't George Head turned out for us in the senior squad already? Or am I mistaken?

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Think Cleaves (wing), Bradley (inside centre), Hobson (prop) and  Benson (fly half) will be the main targets for contracts  in the under 17s. Potentially could lose Bradley to Wales which would be a massive shame, very physically imposing and a great offloading game.
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Pretty small intake with only three players but not surprising given the quality of the current under 17s who I expect a fair few will be given contracts

https://www.quins.co.uk/news/young-quins-offered-first-contracts?fbclid=IwAR1X4cZPeuu03Z_DqTXlceZ0HjJhPhEke3anzds5Ccikb2b72HK3EzHViL0
So basically only taking posh fee paying school kids I see
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Good list. I’d definitely add Kitan Ojo, another very useful prospect on the wing. A possible in Nathan Jibulu (flanker) if he can manage that tricky thing of turning physical dominance at school boy level into effective play in men’s rugby.

Head has played for the senior team (which you’d expect in later academy years) and I would imagine is already set for promotion to the main squad next season.

Quins academy intake does come pretty exclusively from public schools, though a lot of those players have moved there because of rugby scholarships (often with some assistance from the club). Quins pulled out of the AASE programme years ago (basically a nominated state school or college supported by each premiership club) because it wasn’t competitive enough and tended to leave a lot of unsuccessful boys with oddball sports related qualifications. Interestingly the only product of our brief dabble in AASE is I believe one Joe Marler.

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So basically only taking posh fee paying school kids I see

Several reasons for that:
1. Public schools take rugby seriously.  My son is at a state school and rugby is a 1 hour a week after school club.  They played 4 matches (total) during Y7 & Y8 and then it stopped.  I helped out with a bit of coaching and there is plenty of raw talent there, but by Y9 only 5 boys out of 150 play any rugby at all and that's club rugby.  When they did play it, rugby was once a week; at a public school like Cranleigh it's three training sessions a week plus a match.  (In fairness, my son's school has produced 3 premier league football players in the last 5 years).

2. When you compare public schools with the few state schools that do take rugby seriously, the resources of some public schools mean they can develop the players far more.  My son's school has no rugby pitch, no floodlights & only 1 teacher with even an interest in rugby.  By way of contrast, Cranleigh supplied 2 of the 3 boys joining the academy.  Cranleigh has 13 pitches, including 1 that is "international standard", two gyms, astro training facilites and a full time DoR.  I saw an advert for a part time video analyst for a public school in the Midlands.  Hampton School's U16s had a pre-season training camp in France.  State schools can’t compete with this.

3. Public schools can take rugby ability into account when they select.  I was at Trinity School in Croydon on an RFU course and the school were hosting a Sunday morning training session for Rosslyn Park U11s (IIRC).  Any stand out players could be invited to apply.  State schools, even ones that specialise in rugby, aren't allowed to do that.  If you're a very promising player at 16 at a state school you'll probably be offered a scholarship to a public school, as Somardino notes.  Kyle Sinckler going to the sixth form at Epsom College is an obvious example.

Whether anyone likes any of this or not, it explains why it’s likely to be rare that Quins recruit a child into the academy from a state school.
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Also a number of schools are giving scholarships to rugby players.
So a state school boy that shows promise at their club's M&J section gets an offer from a posh school.

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Head has played for the senior team (which you’d expect in later academy years) and I would imagine is already set for promotion to the main squad next season.


I thought so. Didn't he give a pretty good account of himself too?

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Thanks for that explanation in regards to state schools vs private schools in terms of ratio getting into academies. What would you suggest would be a route for a state school child who is mad into rugby and wants to play as a career but the parents cannot afford private education?

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Thanks for that explanation in regards to state schools vs private schools in terms of ratio getting into academies. What would you suggest would be a route for a state school child who is mad into rugby and wants to play as a career but the parents cannot afford private education?

Alex Dombrandt and Luke Northmore both seem to have bucked that trend by going the university route. I don't know how many other players have done the same, but it was highlighted as not being the norm.