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Given his red yesterday,  is it likely he will play again this season, especially given his red for a similar incident away at Gloucester?  Or will he be given a significant ban?
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I don't know how they judge these issues, but it was a tussle between two players not in open play - it wasn't his elbow but his forearm as both players pulled each others shirts - admit that it was wrong to over-react and hope they are lenient. Dallaglio thought the red card was a bit rough and that a yellow would have sufficed, but then he's/was a roughly-toughty No 8 and unless you've had ear/nose bitten off, its not really that bad.
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Barnes also thought in commentary that a yellow would've sufficed. That said even with contrition the previous incident will count against him. I'd say the likely result is that he won't be available for the rest of the regular season but could be free to play in the Semis/Final
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I’m expecting it to be a fair ban given his previous this season. You just can’t put your arms anywhere near the head. I think he’ll be best of pleading guilty, saying sorry and not eating any hobnobs.

I’m still amazed after the melee where the initial focus was the ruckus involving Symo that they forgot all about that and focused solely on AE’s wide incident. Blair Cowan looked to be being a naughty boy in the footage I saw of that as well as Symo and his friend having a cuddle on the ground. I was expecting a yellow a piece for all that but Carley decided against it!
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Hopefully it will just be a week or two, or they may even deem the red punishment enough.
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If you look at it  - the Irish player was also flapping his hands in Andre's face prior to the shove.  And that's all it was a shove.  Sometimes common sense has to prevail? 
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If such a bad attack, why did Rona not get a mandatory HIA?  I can live with the card but if the ref thinks it’s that bad, where is the player welfare?  If it’s not that bad, yellow card.
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I am feeling worried about it to be honest. I think his ban was 4 or 5 weeks last time. This incident was way less severe and was possibly unintentional. However, the bottom line is that it is a second incident of elbow to face in a season.

I hope they recognise that it wasn't severe (3 weeks) but then only add on a week for 'repeated' offence. I also hope they include the European weekends which means he only misses two games.

I am doing a lot of hoping!!!!

It is really frustrating because he is a great player and he doesn't need to get involved in this nonsense.  He will be missed. I am gutted that we rose to their wind-up tactics. Carley's attitude does not help the general mood of a match either, I am afraid to say. I think all of the other refs do a great job and are an important part of making each game enjoyable. Less so with him, I am afraid.
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Quote from: FatQuin on Sunday 25-Apr-2021, 19:51*
If such a bad attack, why did Rona not get a mandatory HIA?  I can live with the card but if the ref thinks it’s that bad, where is the player welfare?  If it’s not that bad, yellow card.

Because it doesn't matter how much damage you do. Don't deliberately hit people in the face!
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Quote from: Comet on Sunday 25-Apr-2021, 20:00*
...I also hope they include the European weekends which means he only misses two games.

I'm not sure if that's how it works - it surely refers to games that you could have played in (and since we're not in the Euro 2nd Div Cup, they are not relevant), otherwise bans at the end of the season would be pointless.
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Quote from: Comet on Sunday 25-Apr-2021, 20:00*
I am feeling worried about it to be honest. I think his ban was 4 or 5 weeks last time. This incident was way less severe and was possibly unintentional. However, the bottom line is that it is a second incident of elbow to face in a season.

I hope they recognise that it wasn't severe (3 weeks) but then only add on a week for 'repeated' offence. I also hope they include the European weekends which means he only misses two games.

I am doing a lot of hoping!!!!

It is really frustrating because he is a great player and he doesn't need to get involved in this nonsense.  He will be missed. I am gutted that we rose to their wind-up tactics. Carley's attitude does not help the general mood of a match either, I am afraid to say. I think all of the other refs do a great job and are an important part of making each game enjoyable. Less so with him, I am afraid.

Yep. I feel exactly the same.

Lasike looked in good nick in the reserve game, but Esterhuizen is so much more than big carries and we’ll really miss him at a critical point of the season.
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Not really the point I was making JG.  What I don’t understand is why, given Carley thought it was such a wallop did they not then check the player?  He’s just been hit in the head and enough to warrant a red but let’s not let the physio check him over and play on.  Maybe the physio did and I missed it. 
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Maybe Carley recognised it wasn't that big a deal as regards a "strike to the head". But they have this protocol they have to go through in these circumstances, and it doesn't allow for mitigation if the head is involved unless the player hit is ducking into it. By the letter of the law it was a red card, which doesn't mean the other guy needs an HIA.
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Quote from: FatQuin on Sunday 25-Apr-2021, 21:09*
Not really the point I was making JG.  What I don’t understand is why, given Carley thought it was such a wallop did they not then check the player?  He’s just been hit in the head and enough to warrant a red but let’s not let the physio check him over and play on.  Maybe the physio did and I missed it. 

Carley was just following the guidance. It was straight contact to the head, and he didn’t consider there to be any mitigation.

At the disciplinary panel, I imagine the lack of force, the amount of provocation and the fact that he was already gripping the shirt and arguably just trying to push Rona away will be set against the deliberate nature of the contact and his previous history.

It’s hard to call what ban he’ll cop, but my best guess is that it’s low end with some mitigation. He might get away with 3 weeks... though whether they will fiddle it with a euro round coming up that Quins aren’t in I don’t know.
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Quote from: JammyGit on Sunday 25-Apr-2021, 20:02*
Because it doesn't matter how much damage you do. Don't deliberately hit people in the face!

Personally, pretty sure that was not the case.
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