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Re: Bath vs Saracens
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Refereeing? Sounds like Sarries had a month of breakfasts - and didn't need the refs help...

I’m not saying the refereeing was the reason they lost so badly, but I do think the incident I referenced that led to the first try for George was the one that broke them. It was at least a penalty for Bath but it somehow ended up being given to Saracens.

Before that they were clearly second best but didn’t look outright dreadful. After that, it was like a training run with the defence on 50% commitment at best.
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Wonder which Bath outfit turns up next weekend?
The metaphorical wounded animal, or are they really down in the dumps this season and in a bit of trouble.
Saracens were impressive, but I think that score was still a little flattering. I still think Bath are capable of turning up and putting in a performance, and is up to us to turn on our own game.
Looking forward to Saturday already........is it Friday yet? :(

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Yes I also can't wait for Saturday.

But I'm wondering something similar. Bath will look to immediately bounce back from that embarrassing defeat so I'm expecting to see a completely different team and I hope we're ready for that.

But at the same time, we're looking to immediately bounce back from our first defeat so I think we will be ready for them.
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I'm not sure they can put out a different side, that's as close to the strongest that they have available but with Watson potentially out as well......

I agree, we'll be more wounded and will want to show that the magic is still there. I'd love to spank them just as badly as I really detest Bath but would settle for a nice 20 point cushion. :-)
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I’m not saying the refereeing was the reason they lost so badly, but I do think the incident I referenced that led to the first try for George was the one that broke them. It was at least a penalty for Bath but it somehow ended up being given to Saracens.

Before that they were clearly second best but didn’t look outright dreadful. After that, it was like a training run with the defence on 50% commitment at best.

I'm not sure I completely agree, but having just watched the game I think you're not miles off. For a start it was terrible, terrible call, and it came after prolonged Bath pressure where Sarries coughed up multiple penalties without any fear of being carded. However, a lot of tries came from really muddled Bath thinking, either from coughing up the ball when they really had no reason to, or from brainless defensive organisation. It was a very strange game to watch.

McCall demanding all his players be picked for England after the game rankled a bit. There's a real sense of entitlement around that club, epitomised by George's continued temper-tantrum attitude during the games, even if he is personally producing the goods again. Surprised the ref didn't have a word with him after he belted the ball into the crowd in disgust over Sarries being penalised at one point.
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Really looking forward to Saturday after the Sale game. Sale are effective at what they do but it's not for me. It will be nice to be back at the Stoop at the beginning of half term. I am going to get the train so that I can have a beer! Hooray!

Regarding the game on Saturday: We have really got to be switched on. This game could quickly get away from us if we are complacent or think the game is won before we go onto the pitch. Every sports team gets a slap in the face when they are complacent (well, mostly. Quins do, for sure!)

In terms of selection, I think we should go with the same pack. Maybe give Collier a start? I am assuming that Wilco and Steph are still unavailable. The backs is a bit trickier. Danny, Marcus, Andre and Tyrone are pretty much permanent fixtures in the back line. Cadan has been terrific too. Northmore, Lynagh and Marchant provide an interesting conundrum. Ideally, you want to keep Marchant on the pitch in some capacity. Northmore played pretty well and does not deserve to be 'dropped' and Lynagh will be itching (and deserves) to get back in! You have also got Jones and David (and Steele) who will want their minutes, before they presumably get starts in the Cup in November.

I think maybe Marchant could be rested this week (if that is not seen as a complacent move) with Northmore at 13 and Lynagh and Murley on the wings. Therefore, Marchant can come back in against Sarries.

I don't know! Maybe the coaches are planning on rotating each of the backs out over the next few games. The England announcement might change things!
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I'm not sure Northmore played that well - he butchered an opportunity with poor hands and did not defend well. Lost the ball more than any other Quins, and only Danny was as bad as his 50% tackle success rate... I just don't think he did much bar run in the gift try, which was good workrate at least.
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I like Northmore, but based on the last game I would move Marchant to 13 and put Lynagh back on the wing.
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I'm not sure Northmore played that well - he butchered an opportunity with poor hands and did not defend well. Lost the ball more than any other Quins, and only Danny was as bad as his 50% tackle success rate... I just don't think he did much bar run in the gift try, which was good workrate at least.

I think you are being harsh he has not had a lot of game time. Just 20 minutes most matches.
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I think you are being harsh he has not had a lot of game time. Just 20 minutes most matches.

What does that have to do with discussing his performance against Sale? It might explain it a little, but it doesn't mean he was good.

But not for the first time, a mildly negative post has led to an overprotective response. This board has a problem with reacting to criticisms of player performance as if they're a critique of an entire career, or writing off any hope of them being better in future. Northmore is someone I've talked up constantly, I was very quick to point out when he was consistently outperforming Joe Marchant (one of my favourite players!), and there's nothing in my assessment of how he played at the weekend that is harsh.

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Perhaps, putting ourselves in the coaches' collective size 11s, we would consider what is best. Since the spring, they have adopted a policy of picking the strongest team for the key games and keeping that team together. That would put Marchant back in, for sure. It would also be a timely boost for him, having been inexplicably excluded from the England squad.

What do they then tell Northmore? Do they need to tell him anything?
I think one of the problems in the Gustard era was that teams were selected quite far ahead of time. So as a player you knew when you were going to be in and when you were not. This perhaps takes the edge off really trying to push to show your best.

Personally, I think Northmore is a very good player. He is particularly impressive as an impact sub. I am sure he wants to be seen as a lot more! As does Jones, as does David! This is what is called a good problem to have!

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I think they have to keep a number of players happy that they are in the mix and but also have to be rotated - they get the best of both worlds, if they think about it - plenty of game time and rest. Once David and Morris are back in the mix, then Green and Murley will get a rest. Its good to have two-deep options where the nominal second string has as much experience or nearly so. Players are familiar together with different options - must make the team more resilient.

Providing we have no career-threatening injuries, I'd see next years team quite a lot better than this last/this season's: they appear to be building a 5-year squad (which no relegation somewhat allows, even promotes) - possibly go longer together if they keep winning.
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I'm not sure they can put out a different side, that's as close to the strongest that they have available but with Watson potentially out as well......

I agree, we'll be more wounded and will want to show that the magic is still there. I'd love to spank them just as badly as I really detest Bath but would settle for a nice 20 point cushion. :-)

TBH, I’d settle for a BP win however it comes. I doubt they will be as bad as they were last week and they have more than enough good players to hurt us if we’re complacent.

Hopefully the fact that we’re coming off the back of our first defeat in a while will help and we’ll be going in to this looking to get back in to the groove of winning before we play Saracens.